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Coltsalr 03-27-2019 08:23 AM

@ZachHicks2
Colts showing some interest Kansas State Safety Eli Walker. They had dinner with him the other day and intend on bringing him in for a Top 30 visit. Former top JUCO safety in the country.

https://twitter.com/ZachHicks2/statu...41845817073665

Can anyone even find anything on this guy?

He wasn't at the Combine and I googled him and couldn't find any actual scouting reports on him.

If this is what they're looking at for a UDFA then whatever, but this CAN'T be their solution.

Dam8610 03-27-2019 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Coltsalr (Post 114674)
@ZachHicks2
Colts showing some interest Kansas State Safety Eli Walker. They had dinner with him the other day and intend on bringing him in for a Top 30 visit. Former top JUCO safety in the country.

https://twitter.com/ZachHicks2/statu...41845817073665

Can anyone even find anything on this guy?

He wasn't at the Combine and I googled him and couldn't find any actual scouting reports on him.

If this is what they're looking at for a UDFA then whatever, but this CAN'T be their solution.

There are 7 rounds of a draft and free agency afterward. No need to overreact, it's not like Ballard is announcing they're targeting him on Day 1 or Day 2.

Coltsalr 03-27-2019 12:56 PM

Apparently Colts are meeting with Jeffery Simmons:

@TomPelissero
Jeffery Simmons told me he dined with #Eagles last night. Also meeting with #Jaguars, #Browns, #Colts, others here around Mississippi State pro day. Leaves April 1 for about 11 visits. Teams playing catch-up after Simmons missed combine for ACL surgery. More later on @nflnetwork

Coltsalr 03-27-2019 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 114681)
There are 7 rounds of a draft and free agency afterward. No need to overreact, it's not like Ballard is announcing they're targeting him on Day 1 or Day 2.

To that point, looks like Colts are eyeing another Safety:

@TomPelissero
#Colts DBs/safeties coach Alan Williams here to run drills for Johnathan Abram, among others. Abrams had dinner with Indy last night. Another potential first-round pick on display here at Mississippi State. Lot of talent.


Much as I hate #FailState, if the Colts end up with Simmons/Abrams as their top two picks then I will anoint Ballard as killing it on yet another draft.

JAFF 03-27-2019 01:45 PM

Suh will not be returning to the rams. Should the Colts be interested?

Luck4Reich 03-27-2019 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by JAFF (Post 114711)
Suh will not be returning to the rams. Should the Colts be interested?

Should they? YES
Will they? Probably not.

Coltsalr 03-27-2019 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Luck4Reich (Post 114713)
Should they? YES
Will they? Probably not.

This. Signing Suh and then drafting Simmons and everyone calls Ballard a genius for doing so.

Chromeburn 03-27-2019 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Coltsalr (Post 114707)
To that point, looks like Colts are eyeing another Safety:

@TomPelissero
#Colts DBs/safeties coach Alan Williams here to run drills for Johnathan Abram, among others. Abrams had dinner with Indy last night. Another potential first-round pick on display here at Mississippi State. Lot of talent.


Much as I hate #FailState, if the Colts end up with Simmons/Abrams as their top two picks then I will anoint Ballard as killing it on yet another draft.

The best strong safety prospect and the second best DT. I could live with that. Abrams would be the best hitter they have drafted since Sanders. I can’t fully say that either would make it to 34 though. Simmons could potentially come back in November. I don’t know if you want to do that though. Conditioning and getting used to things, people that tear a knee are prone to tearing the other knee. And for a DT that is a lot of weight on there.

Still I could live with that draft, but we draft Abrams, I doubt we resign Geathers.

FatDT 03-27-2019 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 114718)
Still I could live with that draft, but we draft Abrams, I doubt we resign Geathers.

What do you mean? They already re-signed Geathers. Are you saying that because of that, they probably won't draft Abrams?

I don't think Geathers being signed means anything. The Colts could still sign or draft their starting SS and Geathers would just then become the 3rd safety. He'd still play significant minutes and snaps in packages with 5+ DBs, and not having to play every down would help with his health.

YDFL Commish 03-27-2019 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Coltsalr (Post 114674)
@ZachHicks2
Colts showing some interest Kansas State Safety Eli Walker. They had dinner with him the other day and intend on bringing him in for a Top 30 visit. Former top JUCO safety in the country.

https://twitter.com/ZachHicks2/statu...41845817073665

Can anyone even find anything on this guy?

He wasn't at the Combine and I googled him and couldn't find any actual scouting reports on him.

If this is what they're looking at for a UDFA then whatever, but this CAN'T be their solution.

Robert Mathis didn't attend the combine either.

Coltsalr 03-27-2019 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by YDFL Commish (Post 114759)
Robert Mathis didn't attend the combine either.

Correct, and he was drafted in the 5th round as a result and he wasn't expected to fill any major roles immediately. In fact, in Mathis' first three seasons he only actually started one game.

Like I said, I don't have a problem taking a flyer on a guy in the late rounds. It's that we shouldn't be relying on such a guy to step in and plug a hole.

YDFL Commish 03-27-2019 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Coltsalr (Post 114764)
Correct, and he was drafted in the 5th round as a result and he wasn't expected to fill any major roles immediately. In fact, in Mathis' first three seasons he only actually started one game.

Like I said, I don't have a problem taking a flyer on a guy in the late rounds. It's that we shouldn't be relying on such a guy to step in and plug a hole.

With Houston, Sheard, Turay and whoever else is the 4th DE...is there really a hole?

Coltsalr 03-27-2019 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by YDFL Commish (Post 114783)
With Houston, Sheard, Turay and whoever else is the 4th DE...is there really a hole?

Eli Walker, the prospect in question, is a Safety.

Chromeburn 03-27-2019 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by FatDT (Post 114730)
What do you mean? They already re-signed Geathers. Are you saying that because of that, they probably won't draft Abrams?

I don't think Geathers being signed means anything. The Colts could still sign or draft their starting SS and Geathers would just then become the 3rd safety. He'd still play significant minutes and snaps in packages with 5+ DBs, and not having to play every down would help with his health.

I mean this contract would likely be it with us. He would not sign another after this year if we draft a safety high.

Only way would be if he blows up and the draft pick sucks.

VeveJones007 03-27-2019 09:47 PM

Some notes from Holder on the possibility of trading up:

https://theathletic.com/892290/2019/...nnual-meeting/

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My takeaway from this week is as follows: Everything is on the table, but the Colts’ view is that there is not a wide gulf between the talent at the bottom of the first round and players available throughout the second round and into the third round.

The possibility of moving up or down is certainly possible elsewhere, however. The Colts have another second-rounder, No. 59 overall. General manager Chris Ballard specifically cited the move he made last year to trade up from the early third round into the late second, a move that netted the Colts defensive lineman Tyquan Lewis.
If I had to bet, I think it's most likely Ballard would stay put at 26 & 34, then consider moving up from 59 if there's a good player they want.

Chromeburn 03-27-2019 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by VeveJones007 (Post 114788)
Some notes from Holder on the possibility of trading up:

https://theathletic.com/892290/2019/...nnual-meeting/



If I had to bet, I think it's most likely Ballard would stay put at 26 & 34, then consider moving up from 59 if there's a good player they want.

I agree with this also. I think the talent level plateaus after about 15 guys and continues for awhile. But I think trading down would likely be a benefit because so many guys are similarily rated. Unless you have a couple of specific guys targeted.

I also think those DT's are gonna get gobbled up quickly. I don't think Wilkins will be there, nor even Simmons. I'm starting to wonder about Tillery also. Dre'Mont should be there.

Puck 03-27-2019 11:37 PM

I’d bet he trades back into the second

Dam8610 03-28-2019 01:30 AM

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Originally Posted by YDFL Commish (Post 114783)
With Houston, Sheard, Turay and whoever else is the 4th DE...is there really a hole?

Next year? No. In 2020 and beyond? Even if Turay and Lewis improve drastically.

Dam8610 03-28-2019 01:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Puck (Post 114798)
I’d bet he trades back into the second

I wouldn't be surprised and it's not a bad idea depending on who's on the board. Some QB needy team will fall in love with a QB that has no business going in Round 1.

VeveJones007 03-28-2019 02:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 114803)
I wouldn't be surprised and it's not a bad idea depending on who's on the board. Some QB needy team will fall in love with a QB that has no business going in Round 1.

That depends on how those teams draft earlier in Rd 1 and whether or not they can get Rosen if Arizona goes with Murray. I could see something like:

Cards-Murray
Giants- Haskins
Broncos-Lock
Dolphins-Rosen
Washington-Jones

If it falls that way, where is the market for a team & QB at 26?

VeveJones007 03-28-2019 11:57 AM

Thinking about Ballard's comments on wanting an 8 man rotation on the DL and how important it is to him. That just reinforces my belief that he'll invest early picks on the defensive front. This rotation looks pretty darn good on paper and quite the improvement from 2017:

DE:
Houston
Sheard
Turay
#59 (Winovich, Polite, Ximines, etc.)

DT:
Autry
Lewis
Hunt
#26 or #34 (Wilkins, Simmons, etc.)

Oldcolt 03-28-2019 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by VeveJones007 (Post 114853)
Thinking about Ballard's comments on wanting an 8 man rotation on the DL and how important it is to him. That just reinforces my belief that he'll invest early picks on the defensive front. This rotation looks pretty darn good on paper and quite the improvement from 2017:

DE:
Houston
Sheard
Turay
#59 (Winovich, Polite, Ximines, etc.)

DT:
Autry
Lewis
Hunt
#26 or #34 (Wilkins, Simmons, etc.)

Agreed. One of the nice things so far about Ballard is he says what he means. It would not surprise me if he is in heavy on defensive line, more than one of our first four picks. Not only does Ballard want to emphasize lines, he knows he needs numbers, as there are no guarantees. Wouldn't surprise me one bit if he takes an offensive lineman early also.

JAFF 03-28-2019 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Oldcolt (Post 114856)
Agreed. One of the nice things so far about Ballard is he says what he means. It would not surprise me if he is in heavy on defensive line, more than one of our first four picks. Not only does Ballard want to emphasize lines, he knows he needs numbers, as there are no guarantees. Wouldn't surprise me one bit if he takes an offensive lineman early also.

I think that Ballard will do something early to help the D. He understands that if he can get the ball into the hands of his best player (Luck) it's a good thing. He has an O line. He gets some guys (d line or lb's) to get to the QB, it makes a difference.

YDFL Commish 03-28-2019 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by VeveJones007 (Post 114853)
Thinking about Ballard's comments on wanting an 8 man rotation on the DL and how important it is to him. That just reinforces my belief that he'll invest early picks on the defensive front. This rotation looks pretty darn good on paper and quite the improvement from 2017:

DE:
Houston
Sheard
Turay
#59 (Winovich, Polite, Ximines, etc.)

DT:
Autry
Lewis
Hunt
#26 or #34 (Wilkins, Simmons, etc.)


Why do you leave out Grover Stewart? Mind you...I'm not particularly a fan of Stewart, but it seems like the Colts coaches are. Toward the end of last season he was taking away snaps from Al Woods.

VeveJones007 03-28-2019 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by YDFL Commish (Post 114897)
Why do you leave out Grover Stewart? Mind you...I'm not particularly a fan of Stewart, but it seems like the Colts coaches are. Toward the end of last season he was taking away snaps from Al Woods.

I think Stewart is on the bubble depending on who the rookie is. The telling thing to me was how they started Hunt/Autry on the interior in the playoffs. Still, they need a bigger nose on the roster. Wilkins can play nose if they take him. Simmons would make Stewart’s spot safer for 2019 because of the injury.

Chromeburn 03-31-2019 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by VeveJones007 (Post 114904)
I think Stewart is on the bubble depending on who the rookie is. The telling thing to me was how they started Hunt/Autry on the interior in the playoffs. Still, they need a bigger nose on the roster. Wilkins can play nose if they take him. Simmons would make Stewart’s spot safer for 2019 because of the injury.

Grover is playing 0 tech. If we draft a DT he will likely be a 3-tech and play next to him.

Unless we draft Dexter Lawrence who would also be a 0-tech. Even then it could be like Al Woods and Stewart last year. Then Hunt and Autry would be 3-techs (even though I saw Hunt listed as a NT) and Stewart and Lawrence the 0-techs.

FatDT 03-31-2019 11:13 PM

Don’t think any of our DTs play much 0 tech, don’t remember seeing anybody head-up on the center often at all.

VeveJones007 04-01-2019 01:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 115097)
Grover is playing 0 tech. If we draft a DT he will likely be a 3-tech and play next to him.

Unless we draft Dexter Lawrence who would also be a 0-tech. Even then it could be like Al Woods and Stewart last year. Then Hunt and Autry would be 3-techs (even though I saw Hunt listed as a NT) and Stewart and Lawrence the 0-techs.

Eberflus has shown that he will switch things up. Remember the last 3-4 games where he had Hunt and Autry both line up in the A gaps?

Still, I think Eberflus would prefer his “base” 40 front to include one guy in the A gap and one guy at the 3 tech. That double A gap thing was a bit out of necessity since they only had Stewart left when Woods went down. I think Wilkins could absolutely play the A gap and could potentially take Stewart’s spot on the roster.

VeveJones007 04-01-2019 01:16 AM

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Originally Posted by FatDT (Post 115104)
Don’t think any of our DTs play much 0 tech, don’t remember seeing anybody head-up on the center often at all.

Yeah, was my fault for bringing “nose” into the conversation. They don’t employ a true NT, but the guy in the A gap is the defacto nose when the other DT is in the B gap. They need someone who has the size/strength to hold up against the G/C double or beat that gap. That’s where I think they would primarily use Wilkins.

Coltsalr 04-01-2019 10:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VeveJones007 (Post 114853)
Thinking about Ballard's comments on wanting an 8 man rotation on the DL and how important it is to him. That just reinforces my belief that he'll invest early picks on the defensive front. This rotation looks pretty darn good on paper and quite the improvement from 2017:

DE:
Houston
Sheard
Turay
#59 (Winovich, Polite, Ximines, etc.)

DT:
Autry
Lewis
Hunt
#26 or #34 (Wilkins, Simmons, etc.)

I wonder if Polite is on Ballard's board or not. This article highlights all of the things that I think would take him off Ballard's board but makes a case for not taking him off the board entirely:

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For months, Jachai Polite hasn’t been able to do anything right. The pre-draft process has been a nightmare for the 20-year-old defensive end.

Never mind that he logged 11 sacks in the SEC in 2018. Never mind that he had 17.5 tackles for loss while forcing an absurd six fumbles, batting four balls and racking up 45 tackles. Never mind that he was a finalist for the Chuck Bednarik Award, given to the best defensive player in college football.

Those successes have gone somewhat forgotten as the Florida Gators prospect seems to make a mistake — or get bad breaks — at every opportunity he has to convince an NFL team that he’s worth a multi-million-dollar salary. Polite’s pre-draft process has been like that moment in movies where the protagonist announces, “This couldn’t get any worse,” and then it starts raining. But for Polite, it’s been a mix of hail and ash from a nearby dumpster fire.

But that’s why I’m rooting for the guy. The pre-draft process can tell NFL teams a lot about a player. It can also lead to an enormous misrepresentation. Media members — myself and my co-workers included — and teams pile criticism on these young adults, who are intent upon making a better future for their family. Some teams trash a player because they want to draft him after other teams to pass on that player.

Here’s one example of misunderstanding the youngster: Polite wants to give his mother an early retirement with his first NFL contract. She’s a supervisor of housekeepers at a hotel while also doing hair-styling out of her house.

Sounds like a terrible kid, huh?

But that’s not what people are focused on. Let’s run down the no-good, very-bad sequence of events the seem to have knocked Polite out of first-round contention.

He ran a 4.84 40-yard dash at the combine in Indianapolis. That’s very slow for a defensive lineman, even if there’s video of Polite running down a receiver from behind after 40 yards. (Admittedly, he made the wrong read on the play, largely because he flew off the ball so quickly. But he made up for it by flying to the ball with impressive effort.)

He jumped 32 inches at the combine. Again, that’s very low for a defensive end — and yet he batted four passes in 2018. Also, who cares about how high a pass-rusher can jump? Looks like he jumped too high in this case.

Those were the only workouts he did at the combine. A question followed: What else is he hiding?
During interviews in Indianapolis, he left scouts concerned about his maturity. He then met with reporters and explained that he was surprised to receive so much negativity from scouts about his game. That negativity was, no doubt, a test — he said he knew that at the combine. He failed that test — he later admitted that. While that’s partially his fault, it’s also the fault of the people around him. Why didn’t his agent properly prepare him for the criticism he’d face? Why wasn’t he coached on how to handle those challenging questions? Everyone could (and should) have anticipated them. Because of his naivety, the media ran with the young man’s honesty about the process. (Honesty is a rarity at the combine, where everything — from a throwing routine to a meeting with reporters — is rehearsed, practiced and scripted.) And the transcript of his comments seemed a lot more harsh than the comments themselves in person and on video. Here’s some context for what was actually a fairly harmless interaction, which seemed to spiral out of control.

During his pro day, a moment when he could have righted the screwy process, he showed up looking less-than-ripped. (This league is all about the jacked-up, twitchy players who pass the eye-test.) Then, Polite injured his hamstring and had to end his day early.
Had his pre-draft process gone well, perhaps he’d be in the discussion to go in the top 15 selections, with NFL.com’s Lance Zuerlein comparing him to Falcons’ Vic Beasley, the eighth-overall pick in 2015. Instead, media members are suggesting Polite has slipped into the second round of the draft. If that projection bears out, the fall from 15th overall to 40th overall is a costly one. After this year’s draft, the 15th overall pick will sign a deal worth roughly $15 million with $8.4 million guaranteed while the No. 40 selection will sign a $7 million deal with $3.2 million guaranteed, per spotrac.

Ouch.

While job interviews are important, it’s easy to imagine an unprepared 20-year-old struggling through his first round of them — especially ones as rigorous as those taking place at the combine. While measurements are important, so is the game film and the production a player puts together on the football field. Perhaps the bust label will prove prescient. Perhaps Polite will flunk in the NFL, just as he has failed during the pre-draft process.

But here’s hoping that he serves as a caveat for those that put too much stock into the combine, into the 40-yard dash and into everything silly about the pre-draft process, which has become overemphasized largely as a promotional effort by the NFL. The league never wants you to stop thinking about football, so they promote the heck out of the combine. Polite is a gifted football player, and hopefully he puts up 16 sacks in 2019 to prove that his first impression was his worst impression and that there’s more to him than he presented in Indianapolis and at this pro day.
https://ftw.usatoday.com/2019/03/jac...-draft-process

I do wonder if having Quincy Wilson, his former teammate at Florida and a guy who had issues himself with maturity and growing up might help Polite from becoming what looks to be almost a certain bust. He clearly has the talent; you don't get 11 sacks in the SEC by accident.

YDFL Commish 04-01-2019 10:37 AM

Polite should not be on Ballard's board with at least his 1st 2 picks. If he wants to take a flier on him at 59 I would be okay with that.

VeveJones007 04-01-2019 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Coltsalr (Post 115128)
I wonder if Polite is on Ballard's board or not. This article highlights all of the things that I think would take him off Ballard's board but makes a case for not taking him off the board entirely:



https://ftw.usatoday.com/2019/03/jac...-draft-process

I do wonder if having Quincy Wilson, his former teammate at Florida and a guy who had issues himself with maturity and growing up might help Polite from becoming what looks to be almost a certain bust. He clearly has the talent; you don't get 11 sacks in the SEC by accident.

He's a really good talent, but the risk is pretty high. I'm assuming some really good options will be available with the first 3 picks, but maybe in Rd 3 or later if he's still on the board.

Coltsalr 04-01-2019 10:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by YDFL Commish (Post 115129)
Polite should not be on Ballard's board with at least his 1st 2 picks. If he wants to take a flier on him at 59 I would be okay with that.

I would be okay with it (Ballard’s earned my trust that I would assume that Polite checked out) but I certainly wouldn’t be stark raving mad over it if Ballard passed on him until several rounds later, even.

Polite is about as boom or bust as it gets, it seems.

Coltsalr 04-01-2019 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by VeveJones007 (Post 115130)
He's a really good talent, but the risk is pretty high. I'm assuming some really good options will be available with the first 3 picks, but maybe in Rd 3 or later if he's still on the board.

Winovich has grown on me to the point that I would love to have him at #59 now, but I do wonder if he's grown on others where he might not be available. #34 might still be a bit of a reach, though.

That's why trades exist, I do suppose.

YDFL Commish 04-01-2019 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Coltsalr (Post 115132)
Winovich has grown on me to the point that I would love to have him at #59 now, but I do wonder if he's grown on others where he might not be available. #34 might still be a bit of a reach, though.

That's why trades exist, I do suppose.

Since we probably won't get one of the blue chip DL's at 26, I'm liking Tillery some time in the 2nd round. I love his hand usage and power.

VeveJones007 04-01-2019 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Coltsalr (Post 115132)
Winovich has grown on me to the point that I would love to have him at #59 now, but I do wonder if he's grown on others where he might not be available. #34 might still be a bit of a reach, though.

That's why trades exist, I do suppose.

Agreed. I'm not sure he's the type of guy you trade up to grab, but it's easier to move up from #59 than it is to move up from #26.

VeveJones007 04-01-2019 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by YDFL Commish (Post 115140)
Since we probably won't get one of the blue chip DL's at 26, I'm liking Tillery some time in the 2nd round. I love his hand usage and power.

I have a hunch that Wilkins will be there at #26. We'll see. Even if he is, I could see Ballard throwing us a curveball and taking Rapp or Abram, then grabbing some DL in Rd 2.

Coltsalr 04-01-2019 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by VeveJones007 (Post 115144)
I have a hunch that Wilkins will be there at #26. We'll see. Even if he is, I could see Ballard throwing us a curveball and taking Rapp or Abram, then grabbing some DL in Rd 2.

I do agree that Wilkins, the locker room leader and guy that came back to win a championship seems more the "Ballard guy" than Dexter Lawrence, the somewhat underachiever and guy that failed a performance-enhancing test.

It could also have something to do with the fact that no longer in a 3-4, we don't really need Lawrence to fill that standalone NT role. Though at 345, I haven't actually seen anything on him being a concern of being too fat/his diet being a concern.

FatDT 04-01-2019 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by VeveJones007 (Post 115106)
Yeah, was my fault for bringing “nose” into the conversation. They don’t employ a true NT, but the guy in the A gap is the defacto nose when the other DT is in the B gap. They need someone who has the size/strength to hold up against the G/C double or beat that gap. That’s where I think they would primarily use Wilkins.

It was you saying 0-tech, which lines up between the A gaps, that I was referring to. Our nose plays mostly 1 tech, like you are saying, in the A gap.

Chromeburn 04-01-2019 02:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coltsalr (Post 115128)
I wonder if Polite is on Ballard's board or not. This article highlights all of the things that I think would take him off Ballard's board but makes a case for not taking him off the board entirely:



https://ftw.usatoday.com/2019/03/jac...-draft-process

I do wonder if having Quincy Wilson, his former teammate at Florida and a guy who had issues himself with maturity and growing up might help Polite from becoming what looks to be almost a certain bust. He clearly has the talent; you don't get 11 sacks in the SEC by accident.

He might be one of those guys who are just a better football player than athlete. But I believe Ballard places a lot of emphasis on athletiscm and Polite is on the lower end of that scale. I’m sure he has guys above him.


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