what franchise qb did he run off in Denver?

and caldwell was a bad coach here. then we saw pagano and realized how bad it could get.

Not a fan of Harbaugh

Harbaugh has Colts offense already
!st Down.. Incomplete Pass
2nd Down..Run up middle for 2 0r 3
3rd Down..Either sack ..Incomplete or hit Tight End
Punt

2nd Half Meltdown
Absolutely terrible play calling
Players put in terrible positions

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sounds like a perfect fit

Are you seriously saying that Jay fucking Cutler is a franchise qb?

Cutler, who was coming off a Pro Bowl age 25 season at the time. No one could've predicted he'd be in Chicago to start 2009, or that he'd have 6 different offensive coordinators in the next 8 seasons.

He was a much better QB than most new head coaches get, and looked like a franchise QB at age 26 when McDaniels got him. The Bears screwed him over by constantly changing his offenses, which completely destroyed his development.

hahaha this dude loves pagano and cutler.

what the ever loving fuck happened with this kid? dam seriously is retarded. how can a retarded person type complete sentences? impressive

Holy shit- you actually are trying to pass this shit off as legit?

60 days ago you're on here spewing some stupid fucking shit about variances really being the say all end all and that coaches don't matter... then you are going to try to fly this flag trying to tell us Jim Harbaugh is "one of the few" that has a "presence" sufficient to make a difference. No fucking way, no way!

Jim Harbaugh right- the coach who just lost a late 16 point lead to a really shitty South Carolina team - same guy right? Same guy who's 2nd half of the season was a shit show and left people wondering if his job was secure at his alma mater? Same guy right????

GTH!

You realize he's been successful every place he's ever coached, right?
He has a history with Andrew Luck.
He has a history playing for the Indianapolis Colts and was well liked in Indy.

He even turned the incompetent dysfunctional 49ers into a dominant Super Bowl team. He's a no-brainer slam dunk head coaching pick for this particular situation.

The only guy I would maybe like better would be Saban, but even then I don't know. Those two are the shoot for the stars guys. After that, Frank Reich has done tremendous work with the Eagles offense. He's also been tremendous in bringing along Carson Wentz who is not as talented as Andrew Luck, but damn they are getting more out of him talent-wise than the careless Colts have gotten with Andrew.

After those guys anyone else except maybe David Shaw would be an eye-roller who cares kind of pick. The guys in Kansas City are almost certainly overrated and I hate seeing front office guys go back to their old teams for head coach and player acquisition moves. Sure if you need someone for a coordinator or a key player position then make the move but if you are just going back to people you are familiar with wholesale it's known to be a character flaw and failed strategy. Look how that worked out for Grigson and his Eagles retreads over and over again.

Reading is fundamental, comprehension even moreso. Few is not none, and there's a stark difference between the 49ers under Harbaugh, and both before and after him, that I don't think can be completely explained away by player performance. A substantial portion of the after can likely be explained by the losses they suffered on defense, but I don't think that takes them from perennial contender to top of the draft order overnight by itself, and that says nothing of the before, where they were unsuccessful with pretty much the same roster.

That said, I would completely understand based on the reputation Harbaugh earned if Ballard wanted to avoid him completely, in which case he should get someone like Toub in immediately and focus on assembling a strong staff around him.

Hell no to Saban, just hell no!

NFL Network's Tom Pelissero reports the Colts have requested to interview Seahawks DC Kris Richard for their head-coaching vacancy.

Richard has been running the defensive show in Seattle the past three seasons after Dan Quinn took the Falcons' head coach job. 38-year-old Richard is a riser in the coaching ranks and interviewed for the Bills' job last year.

Richard joins;
Patriots OC Josh McDaniels,
Chiefs OC Matt Nagy,
Panthers DC Steve Wilks,
Texans DC Mike Vrabel

as names connected to the Colts' opening thus far. Jan 1 - 8:44 PM

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Source: Tom Pelissero on Twitter

I don't think he is even an option, just shit thrown against a wall.

Vrabel just got out schemed by Chud, nuff said!

My hesitation with Kris Richard is he could end up being Pagano 2.0. His recent resume is pretty much the same as Pagano's prior to being hired. He was the DB coach and then promoted to DC for Seattle, only 2 years of DC experience in Seattle.

The D is loaded was good long before he came along, same as with Pagano in Baltimore when he followed the same path

They kept changing coordinators because he kept sucking and they though a new coordinator would solve the problem.

The Bears were loaded with talent at WR at one point and Cutler still wasn't that good.

2013, Josh Mccown, a journeyman back up, far outplayed Cutler once Cutler went down injured.

https://www.pro-football-reference.c...s/chi/2013.htm

But sure, it was the OC

Bears had Matt Forte, Alshon Jeffery, Martellus Bennet and Brandon Marshall on that team. THREE of those players made the Pro Bowl that year. But Cutler played perfectly mediocre that season.


Bears never should have signed him long term after that

We don't just need a bright HC who will hold players accountable, but we need one who can build a great staff, having an overall strong staff will propel us to the next level and beyond.

So hiring the right coach is obviously key to start turning things around, but who they surround themself with is even moreso.

Remember when we could go more than two posts in a row without Dam fucking up the conversation with his dumb argumentative bullshit?

Steve Wilks is Black, so he appears to be the Rooney Rule candidate that’s making the rounds this year.

I have no idea if he’s deserving or not, don’t get me wrong, but that’s the way of things, like how Jim Caldwell and Pep Hamilton would get interviews.

Agreed, there’s a high correlation right now between HC’s that are offense first and development of QB’s and ultimately team success right now.

McDaniels and Cutler never worked together.

Cutler was traded to the Bears prior to the start of the 2009 season, which was McDaniels’ first in Denver.

McDaniels’ problems came as a talent evaluator as he tried to be czar of the organization like Belichick is in New England. With Ballard in place in Indy, clearly this wouldn’t be the case.

McDaniels has acknowledged that as well. He had said he didn't do things right in Denver and now understands what he did wrong and that he learned a lot back in NE. He said because of his failure he knew what to concentrate on and learn from belicheat. That's good to hear but I would still be Leary of hiring him.

McDaniels was the reason Cutler demanded a trade.

Pro Bowls are a joke. Vince Young and David Garrard were pro bowl QB's too.

That said, I don't want McDaniels either. The broncos were caught videotaping other teams' practices under McDaniels. Don't want that cheating bastard on the Colts.

Because Cutler was a giant baby about it that McDaniels looked into trading for Cassel, a QB he had just worked with.

That says nothing about the impact McDaniels had on Cutler’s development, much less “destroying” him.

Never said he did that, I said the Bears did that. I said McDaniels ran him out of Denver, which he did by trying to trade for a QB. The current equivalent would be him coming here and announcing that Brissett would be the starter moving forward. Brissett is a great QB2, but Luck is clearly the QB1 here.

That wouldn’t be the equivalent at all.

The equivalent, I suppose, would be if McDaniels talked up Brissett, another QB he’s worked with in the past, and Luck got jealous and demanded a trade.

Again, that would reflect more on a petulant whiny jealous QB than the HC.

Yes yes yes yes.

No more pat em on the butt and do better next time.

He wanted to trade for Cassell and Cutler lost confidence that the organization was committed to him, and rightfully so since they'd just tried to trade for another team's backup to replace him. So the scenario I laid out would actually be fairly similar, especially since Brissett is a former Cheat.

Two guys they should at least approach-Tony Dungy and Bruce Arians. 99 percent chance they both turn it down but it costs nothing to ask.

No, and No. Might as well reach out to Jim Mora too.

and no.

Like him or not, Dungy was a great great coach. Arians is, to a lesser degree, if only because of his chuck it deep, kill the quarterback offense.

Dan Dakitch and Urban Meyer are friends. Yesterday on his show he texted Urban with the question: "what would it take to get you here to coach the colts". Today DD read Urban's reply: "a gym membership for Shelley (his wife) and a house next door to you (Dakitch).

Obvious this was tongue in cheek....but I find it curious he didn't shut it down, knowing that DD would spread that text all over his airwaves.

Toub will be our next HC.

I hope he can get some high quality assistants to join up with him.

Toub has been around a while and has connections around the league. I would hope that he could put together a good staff.

One thing to keep an eye on if the Colts do go with Toub--they'll likely target someone in the draft who can be a return ace. That has been a fixture with Toub's ST units in Chicago (Hester) and KC (Hill).

I'm wondering if Antonio Calloway, the Florida WR, might be a guy that he sees as his next Tyreek Hill. His off-the-field transgressions are by no means as horrific as Tyreek Hill's, but he did miss the entire 2017 season due to suspension, so he very clearly has issues and there would obviously be the fear that he'd get himself suspended in the NFL due to more stupidity.

Calloway has returned punts in College Football, and he'd seem to be intriguing in the Tyreek Hill jack-of-all-trades role, assuming we could get him no earlier than the 4th.

It's a crapshoot. I prefer someone like Toub but what do I know

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fuck no to both

it was jay fucking cutler


stop pretending he is some great player

I agree on Dungy. Not so much on Arians. I'm sure the record would improve under him, but we need to bring in someone who will put an O in place that protects the QB rather than get the crap beat out of them.