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Butter 04-22-2019 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Luck4Reich (Post 116970)
They are not taking a RB at 26.

I sure as shit hope not.

Dewey 5 04-22-2019 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Coltsalr (Post 116960)
Holder says, among other things, to expect Offensive Line early and he doesn’t see it with Jeffery Simmons and that it won’t be a WR and that they aren’t trading up/down:










https://theathletic.com/938751/2019/....co/S7kQZMmmps

Going OL in the first two rounds doesn't make sense to me. I guess we'll find out soon enough.

smitty46953 04-23-2019 12:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Luck4Reich (Post 116970)
They are not taking a RB at 26.

I sure hope Ballard hasn't been drinking from same water cooler that Grigson did... Flashbacks of the Phillip Dorsett selection in 2015. I hated that pick with a passion. :cool:

Butter 04-23-2019 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Dewey 5 (Post 116979)
Going OL in the first two rounds doesn't make sense to me. I guess we'll find out soon enough.

I can only wrap my head around it if a LT prospect drops and he plays RT until Constanzo retires and Smith moves to RG.

Coltsalr 04-23-2019 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Butter (Post 116983)
I can only wrap my head around it if a LT prospect drops and he plays RT until Constanzo retires and Smith moves to RG.

And Glowinski becomes a super-sub (or Castonzo just departs via free agency next year).

I mean, it’s not a TERRIBLE idea, but given some of the holes elsewhere that seem a bit more dire, augmenting an already strong (for once) OL is a bit uninspiring.

That said, I’m sure 2008-2018 Coltsalr would kill 2019 Coltsalr for being so cavalier about investing in the OL. That, and I do really like Greg Little (who’s projected to fall to the 2nd round). So if they did that, I wouldn’t be irate.

FatDT 04-23-2019 08:56 AM

The OL, from strongest to weakest (this is by player, not position):

Nelson - Rookie All-Pro who should continue to get better.
Smith - I expect a big jump in quality, and his rookie year was pretty good. He may move to RG but he's a starter going forward.
Castonzo - Healthy most of his career and not that old. I expect he'll get contract from the team.
Kelly - Arguably the 2nd most-talented blocker on the line, especially when you consider what he offers pre-snap. But he is hurt a lot.
Glowinski - Played well, but is clearly the least-talented starter

From this perspective an interior OL that can be a better backup/replacement for Kelly and/or can push Glowinski down the depth chart could make sense. After so many years of shit OL I am not going to complain about a 2nd or 3rd round pick there. Not my first choice but I wouldn't hate it.

The fact that the Colts have been talked about for Josh Jacobs tells me there's a 0% chance we're drafting him in the 1st. Ballard isn't going to tell anyone the truth there and neither is anyone on his staff. NFL people lie like rugs this time of year.

Luck4Reich 04-23-2019 09:20 AM

Thinking about that O-line with a year under their belt and going through a training camp as a unit and gelling together more is exciting to see how good they can really become. The continued progress at depth will be huge too. Cant wait for the draft and next season!

smitty46953 04-23-2019 10:07 AM

NFL Network's Ian Rapoport reports Michigan DL Rashan Gary has a labral tear in his shoulder.

Gary reportedly suffered the injury in college but was able to play through it. Rapoport adds "most believe he can play this season" before getting the shoulder fixed next offseason. Still, it is a red flag for a player who was already a polarizing prospect. Despite outstanding testing numbers, it is possible Gary falls out of the first round.

Source: Ian Rapoport on Twitter

‎Apr‎ ‎23‎, ‎2019‎ ‎9‎:‎19‎ ‎AM

:cool:

Oldcolt 04-23-2019 11:21 AM

I have no problem going offensive line early, even the first round. This teams identity is being built around a dominant offensive line. These five guys will not play every game. Start to make that dominance injury proof.

I believe running back is devalued because coaching are still figuring out how to get the most out of them with the emphasis so much on passing. If you see them in sort of the same light as the NBA is seeing players, position-less it can help. If the guy has the ability to line up outside and be a receiving threat, can block and run well I still think there is a place for a running back in the first round. I'm not sold on Jacobs because he lacks break away speed. That said, Polian said you need playmakers and he appears to be one.

My perfect draft would be heavy on defense (esp line) with at least one offensive lineman in the first two days.

VeveJones007 04-23-2019 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by smitty46953 (Post 117008)
NFL Network's Ian Rapoport reports Michigan DL Rashan Gary has a labral tear in his shoulder.

Gary reportedly suffered the injury in college but was able to play through it. Rapoport adds "most believe he can play this season" before getting the shoulder fixed next offseason. Still, it is a red flag for a player who was already a polarizing prospect. Despite outstanding testing numbers, it is possible Gary falls out of the first round.

Source: Ian Rapoport on Twitter

‎Apr‎ ‎23‎, ‎2019‎ ‎9‎:‎19‎ ‎AM

:cool:

This actually worries me. Gary has great traits, but I'm concerned about players with traits who don't have production.

FatDT 04-23-2019 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by VeveJones007 (Post 117028)
This actually worries me. Gary has great traits, but I'm concerned about players with traits who don't have production.

Gary is just a terrible prospect. With so much athleticism, he didn't play well in college. Players with great athletic traits should dominate lesser competition in spite of bad technique, poor football knowledge, whatever it is they're lacking. Gary didn't do that. Add this ongoing shoulder injury and I wouldn't draft him until the 3rd at the earliest, with the idea that his rookie year is basically a redshirt year while he gets healthy and works on being better at football.

Chromeburn 04-23-2019 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Oldcolt (Post 117017)
I have no problem going offensive line early, even the first round. This teams identity is being built around a dominant offensive line. These five guys will not play every game. Start to make that dominance injury proof.

I believe running back is devalued because coaching are still figuring out how to get the most out of them with the emphasis so much on passing. If you see them in sort of the same light as the NBA is seeing players, position-less it can help. If the guy has the ability to line up outside and be a receiving threat, can block and run well I still think there is a place for a running back in the first round. I'm not sold on Jacobs because he lacks break away speed. That said, Polian said you need playmakers and he appears to be one.

My perfect draft would be heavy on defense (esp line) with at least one offensive lineman in the first two days.

I would prefer they go BPA. I assume that will be defense since it is a good defensive draft. But if they go oline I won’t be too upset. I was actually looking at Garret Bradbury and wondering what he would look like with this line. That guy has a high ceiling and can really move for a big man.

VeveJones007 04-23-2019 01:50 PM

We've mentioned him briefly, but I could see some scenarios where Chris Lindstrom is an early 2nd round pick for the Colts. He could have enough versatility to line up anywhere from C/RG/RT, which would offer a lot of valuable depth for the Colts.

smitty46953 04-23-2019 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by VeveJones007 (Post 117028)
This actually worries me. Gary has great traits, but I'm concerned about players with traits who don't have production.

Yes, I have just been hoping someone else before us picks him. If he falls out of first round our chances of getting Wilkins decreases. :cool:

Coltsalr 04-23-2019 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by VeveJones007 (Post 117039)
We've mentioned him briefly, but I could see some scenarios where Chris Lindstrom is an early 2nd round pick for the Colts. He could have enough versatility to line up anywhere from C/RG/RT, which would offer a lot of valuable depth for the Colts.

Too much of a luxury for my tastes.

God, I can't believe I now consider the OL to be a luxury.

Discflinger 04-23-2019 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Coltsalr (Post 117058)
Too much of a luxury for my tastes.

God, I can't believe I now consider the OL to be a luxury.

Welcome to Ballardville.

FatDT 04-23-2019 04:15 PM

I know some of you are against the idea of Dexter Lawrence for the Colts. I get it. But I've been researching all the Clemson DL prospects. Vevejones I am not doing this to mess with you.

This kid had 7 sacks his freshman year. After that season, with Wilkins next to him, he was asked to play nose and was taken out on pass rush downs in favor of their "racecar" package.

He ran a 5.0 40 at 342 lbs. The guy could lose 15 lbs and still be the biggest man on the field most of the time.

Is he really just a 0/1 tech? Or is that the role he was asked to play on one of the most stacked college DLs of all-time? If he was a 3 tech for Auburn, with the same stats this year as his freshman year, would we be talking about top 10 pick Dexter Lawrence, with no chance we could possibly draft him?

I think that possibility is why people are talking about Lawrence to the Colts at 26 or 34.

JAFF 04-23-2019 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 117034)
I would prefer they go BPA. I assume that will be defense since it is a good defensive draft. But if they go oline I won’t be too upset. I was actually looking at Garret Bradbury and wondering what he would look like with this line. That guy has a high ceiling and can really move for a big man.

This is a very low quality draft for O linemen. Throwing first round money at a 3rd round talent doesn't make sense. I wouldn't be shocked if the Colts traded out of the first round to get more picks

Discflinger 04-23-2019 04:52 PM

I don't know anything about what TEs are out there, but with what Frank likes to do with the offense, I really wouldn't be surprised to see one in the third or shortly thereafter.

VeveJones007 04-23-2019 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by FatDT (Post 117077)
I know some of you are against the idea of Dexter Lawrence for the Colts. I get it. But I've been researching all the Clemson DL prospects. Vevejones I am not doing this to mess with you.

This kid had 7 sacks his freshman year. After that season, with Wilkins next to him, he was asked to play nose and was taken out on pass rush downs in favor of their "racecar" package.

He ran a 5.0 40 at 342 lbs. The guy could lose 15 lbs and still be the biggest man on the field most of the time.

Is he really just a 0/1 tech? Or is that the role he was asked to play on one of the most stacked college DLs of all-time? If he was a 3 tech for Auburn, with the same stats this year as his freshman year, would we be talking about top 10 pick Dexter Lawrence, with no chance we could possibly draft him?

I think that possibility is why people are talking about Lawrence to the Colts at 26 or 34.

I’ve harped enough on the scheme fit side of Lawrence, but how about the PED bust? Do we really think Ballard is going to spend such a high pick on someone who got busted for PEDs?

FatDT 04-23-2019 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by VeveJones007 (Post 117106)
I’ve harped enough on the scheme fit side of Lawrence, but how about the PED bust? Do we really think Ballard is going to spend such a high pick on someone who got busted for PEDs?

Better now than after he’s on an NFL roster!

Puck 04-23-2019 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by JAFF (Post 117091)
This is a very low quality draft for O linemen. Throwing first round money at a 3rd round talent doesn't make sense. I wouldn't be shocked if the Colts traded out of the first round to get more picks

Gil Brandt disagrees with you... as do I

He has 11 of the top 50 players as oline

So no idea what you’re basing your nonsense on


http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300...2019-nfl-draft



Here is another site that lists 15 of the top 100 players as oline. 7 of which are in the top 50

https://www.draftace.com/2019-top-100/

Daniel Jeremiah has 9 Olineman in the top 50 and 5 in the top 32

apballin 04-23-2019 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by VeveJones007 (Post 117106)
I’ve harped enough on the scheme fit side of Lawrence, but how about the PED bust? Do we really think Ballard is going to spend such a high pick on someone who got busted for PEDs?

We got our anchor for the O line last year, now we need one for the D line and Lawrence fits to me and I’ll enjoy watching him and Nelson battle in training camp

VeveJones007 04-23-2019 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by apballin (Post 117122)
We got our anchor for the O line last year, now we need one for the D line and Lawrence fits to me and I’ll enjoy watching him and Nelson battle in training camp

At least Nelson can play 3 downs.

Honestly, I don’t think Lawrence is even on the Colts board.

apballin 04-23-2019 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by VeveJones007 (Post 117126)
At least Nelson can play 3 downs.

Honestly, I don’t think Lawrence is even on the Colts board.

I don’t care about playing all 3 downs, that’s fine with me if he’s stopping the run keeping linemen off maniac for 2 downs and keeping Hunt or Autry fresh for passing situations

Chromeburn 04-23-2019 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Discflinger (Post 117093)
I don't know anything about what TEs are out there, but with what Frank likes to do with the offense, I really wouldn't be surprised to see one in the third or shortly thereafter.

I like Dax Raymond, had a good senior bowl. Kaden Smith (think that’s his name) from Stanford catches everything thrown at him, and you know they taught him to block at Stanford. The UCLA kid is an A+ athlete. And there was a sleeper from a lower tier Cali school who is a good player, can’t remember his name.

Chromeburn 04-23-2019 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by JAFF (Post 117091)
This is a very low quality draft for O linemen. Throwing first round money at a 3rd round talent doesn't make sense. I wouldn't be shocked if the Colts traded out of the first round to get more picks

Lidstrom, Bradbury and Edoga as a developmental tackle are the only guys I’m interested in. There should be some decent centers late in the draft also as a backup.

Chromeburn 04-23-2019 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by apballin (Post 117122)
We got our anchor for the O line last year, now we need one for the D line and Lawrence fits to me and I’ll enjoy watching him and Nelson battle in training camp

King Kong vs Godzilla?

Butter 04-23-2019 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 117136)
King Kong vs Godzilla?

Unstoppable force vs immovable object.

VeveJones007 04-24-2019 10:13 AM

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EDGE: Brian Burns
DT: Christian Wilkins
DT: Jeffrey Simmons (lower due to injury)
EDGE: Clelin Ferrell
S: Jonathan Abram
TE: Noah Fant
CB: Byron Murphy
WR: AJ Brown
WR: N'Keal Harry
WR: Marquise Brown (I think they place more value on larger receivers)
OL: Chris Lindstrom
RB: Josh Jacobs
CB: Deandre Baker
EDGE: Montez Sweat (heart condition)
DL: Jerry Tillery (my personal reservations that he isn't a great scheme fit)
I’m thinking about where on this list I would strongly consider trading down. Probably after Ferrell, which I think is fairly likely that him and the guys above him will be gone by 26. Wonder if Ballard could get NYG or DEN to move up from early in Rd2.

Discflinger 04-24-2019 12:39 PM

In cheerleader news, I miss Stephanie. Anyone see her at the restaurant? Lol I know...

AlwaysSunnyinIndy 04-25-2019 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by VeveJones007 (Post 116705)
It's being reported that Montez Sweat has an enlarged heart. I wonder if he's on the Colts board based on their medical checks.


And now today (just in time for the draft), there are rumors that Sweat's condition was misdiagnosed at the Combine. Follow-up testing showed little to no risk to his health.

https://twitter.com/NFL_DougFarrar/s...59952046895104

https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1121461567336402945

Dam8610 04-25-2019 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by AlwaysSunnyinIndy (Post 117329)
And now today (just in time for the draft), there are rumors that Sweat's condition was misdiagnosed at the Combine. Follow-up testing showed little to no risk to his health.

https://twitter.com/NFL_DougFarrar/s...59952046895104

https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1121461567336402945

1) Will teams trust that?
2) Could teams adjust their boards that quickly?

VeveJones007 04-25-2019 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 117337)
1) Will teams trust that?
2) Could teams adjust their boards that quickly?

Luckily we only have a few more hours to find out rather than weeks or days.

Dam8610 04-25-2019 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by VeveJones007 (Post 117338)
Luckily we only have a few more hours to find out rather than weeks or days.

Which is also advantageous in not allowing any teams to run any additional medicals on him.

VeveJones007 04-26-2019 01:02 AM

Several really solid options still available tomorrow. Here’s a quick list:

S: Chauncey Gardner-Johnson
S: Nasir Adderley
CB: Byron Murphy
CB: Justin Layne
CB: Rock Ya-Sin
CB: Lonnie Johnson
WR: AJ Brown
EDGE: Chase Winovich
DT: Dre'mont Jones
EDGE: Jaylon Ferguson
S: Taylor Rapp
WR: Riley Ridley
WR: Deebo Samuel
WR: Terry McLaurin
WR: Paris Campbell
RG/RT: Cody Ford
RT: Jawaan Taylor (knee)

What other guys do you have as Day 2 targets?

smitty46953 04-26-2019 01:25 AM

WR Hakeem Butler
LB Mack Wilson

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Puck 04-26-2019 02:11 AM

Jawaan Taylor.


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