Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 111622)

Jones came in light and had a poor combine showing that makes his athleticism, which was one of his biggest selling points, come into question. Tillery, OTOH, is exactly what Eberflus wants in a DL if his time with Dallas and here last year is any indication. Tillery is big, long, fast for his size, and weighed in just under 300 pounds. From strictly a size and athleticism perspective, Tillery is very similar to David Irving (and again I stress, this comparison is limited to body type and on field play style), a player who produced very well when he was on the field for Dallas. If the choice is between Tillery, Jones, and Jaylon Ferguson or someone of the like at 26, Tillery is the pick for me easily.

I like the idea of picking up Simmons at 34 because he's a top 15-20 talent in this draft, but I can understand the argument against.

I think in this draft, unless someone like Clelin Ferrell unexpectedly falls, the value at edge rusher likely won't be there until the end of Round 2.

Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 111715)

I agree that Tillery seems to fit what the Cowboys would look for in a d-lineman almost to a T. Long, athletic, tall. He might be the pick at 26, I also wonder if Omenihu might sneak in there also, he seems to fit the mold as well. I think Rennell Wren might be in that group also.

Originally Posted by FatDT (Post 111725)

Reading this paragraph and the one below it about Jones got me excited all over again for this draft. There are just so damn many good front 4 players available. And for the first time ever as a Colts fan I have a good reason to think our GM is going to prioritize that, take the easy win, and get one. No Anthony Gonzalez or Philip Dorsett when we need defensive help.

I read up and watched Wren about a month ago and I think he's going to be really good. As in Richard Seymour good, if he gets the coaching he needs to clean up technique and put his athleticism to work. And I think we have the DL coach that can do that. 6'5, 320, albatross wingspan, plenty of strength. I expect teams value him more than mock drafters on the internet. We might need to use a 2nd on him if we want him.

Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 111896)

I would almost like the top three picks on dline, but I have a hard time seeing them spend three on dline.

Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 111896)

We resigned Hunt so I believe we now have:

Defensive End:
Tyquan Lewis
Jabaal Sheard
Al-Quadin Muhammad
Kemoko Turay
Geneo Grissom

Nose Tackle:
Margus Hunt
Grover Stewart

Under Tackle:
Denico Autry
Hassan Ridgeway
Jihad Ward

Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 111896)

Yeah no 'Dammit' Donald Brown. That's only an easy win with some fans who can't see past a 2nd receiver. And DK Metcalf's talent is enticing, but too many other flags for me to pick at 26 and he is the only receiver that could go in the 1st for me. I don't like WR's in the first anyway, too much of a high bust rate.

I went back and looked at Wren after reading the huge Reddit post that guy made and had us picking Wren at 26. I think that is high for him, I think right now he is a late 2nd to 4th round pick. He does have very good potential and as you can see in the graphic he actually topped out on the Next Gen Stats defensive tackle board over even Quinnen Williams. The Reddit poster claimed ASU misused him as a NT in their system and he should be more of a penetrating 3-tech. He has the first step for it, but the coaches wanted him to use his bull rush so much b/c it was effective he needs work on his other moves. Because of that I see him more as a 3rd rounder, about the same as where Chris Jones went. He will need some coaching and development, but the talent is there if he is willing. Also notice Tillery and Hill is on there as well.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D0won8SU4AAIOsC.png:small

I'm trying to figure out who will be available and where they might go with the picks. Ballard has said he wants an 8 man rotation on the line. We resigned Hunt so I believe we now have:

Defensive End:
Tyquan Lewis
Jabaal Sheard
Al-Quadin Muhammad
Kemoko Turay
Geneo Grissom

Nose Tackle:
Margus Hunt
Grover Stewart

Under Tackle:
Denico Autry
Hassan Ridgeway
Jihad Ward

I think we will take a DT and DE in the draft. The only guys I think will definitely make the roster are Sheard, Lewis, Turay, Hunt, and Autry. Everyone else will likely be in competition. So hopefully upgrading two dline positions. I would almost like the top three picks on dline, but I have a hard time seeing them spend three on dline. Might be like last year where they spent two oline, 2 dline, and slipped another position in there. A BPA is my guess.

Originally Posted by sherck (Post 111897)

We have SO much flexibility in free agency with the huge pile of cap space we are sitting on that almost anything is possible.

If Ballard signs in free agency:

1x UFA WR capable of being WR2 plus Inman as WR3 before competition.
1x UFA SS capable of starting plus Geathers as Safety3 and RFA tag Farley
1x UFA CB capable of starting to put alongside Wilson and Moore and then perhaps a value CB as quality depth

Then I could see the possibility of drafting 3x D-Linemen in the 1st and 2nd rounds if that is where he thinks the value is.

The above UFA signing scheme is very doable; in fact, if that is ALL that happens besides signing some low level jouneymen for depth which will happen every year, most Colts fans will be disappointed that is all we accomplished with the huge pile of cash.

If Ballard wants the D-Line "fixed" like he fixed the O-Line last year with 3 new staters, he WILL devote the resources to do that.

Walk Worthy,

Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 111896)

Yeah no 'Dammit' Donald Brown. That's only an easy win with some fans who can't see past a 2nd receiver. And DK Metcalf's talent is enticing, but too many other flags for me to pick at 26 and he is the only receiver that could go in the 1st for me. I don't like WR's in the first anyway, too much of a high bust rate.

I went back and looked at Wren after reading the huge Reddit post that guy made and had us picking Wren at 26. I think that is high for him, I think right now he is a late 2nd to 4th round pick. He does have very good potential and as you can see in the graphic he actually topped out on the Next Gen Stats defensive tackle board over even Quinnen Williams. The Reddit poster claimed ASU misused him as a NT in their system and he should be more of a penetrating 3-tech. He has the first step for it, but the coaches wanted him to use his bull rush so much b/c it was effective he needs work on his other moves. Because of that I see him more as a 3rd rounder, about the same as where Chris Jones went. He will need some coaching and development, but the talent is there if he is willing. Also notice Tillery and Hill is on there as well.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D0won8SU4AAIOsC.png:small

I'm trying to figure out who will be available and where they might go with the picks. Ballard has said he wants an 8 man rotation on the line. We resigned Hunt so I believe we now have:

Defensive End:
Tyquan Lewis
Jabaal Sheard
Al-Quadin Muhammad
Kemoko Turay

Nose Tackle:
Margus Hunt
Grover Stewart

Under Tackle:
Denico Autry
Hassan Ridgeway
Jihad Ward

I think we will take a DT and DE in the draft. The only guys I think will definitely make the roster are Sheard, Lewis, Turay, Hunt, and Autry. Everyone else will likely be in competition. So hopefully upgrading two dline positions. I would almost like the top three picks on dline, but I have a hard time seeing them spend three on dline. Might be like last year where they spent two oline, 2 dline, and slipped another position in there. A BPA is my guess.

Originally Posted by Puck (Post 111971)

You don't think Ward is a for sure to make the roster? I do

Originally Posted by Puck (Post 111971)

You don't think Ward is a for sure to make the roster? I do

Originally Posted by Dewey 5 (Post 114129)

I would love for Dexter Lawrence to be sitting there at 26. If Clelin Ferrell is there that would be even better but he won't be.

Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 114142)

If Dexter Lawrence is sitting there at 26, he'll likely be sitting there at 27, at least if the Colts make the pick.

Originally Posted by Dewey 5 (Post 114129)

I would love for Dexter Lawrence to be sitting there at 26. If Clelin Ferrell is there that would be even better but he won't be.

Originally Posted by YDFL Commish (Post 114148)

Trade down and take Dre'Mont Jones?

Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 114149)

Ferrel didnt have the best pro day. There is talk of him dropping.

Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 114149)

Ferrel didnt have the best pro day. There is talk of him dropping.

Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 114208)

He didn't work out at Clemson's pro day.

Originally Posted by FatDT (Post 114199)

I think he's a rich man's Derrick Morgan. And I think a team will talk themselves into picking him before we can. I think he'll be a good pro but he will probably not threaten to lead the league in sacks.

I'm wary of all three Clemson linemen. All three plus Austin Bryant were so much better overall than any OL they faced. How will they do individually, when the difference in talent is a lot less in the NFL?

Originally Posted by VeveJones007 (Post 114292)

I don’t think it’s been brought up: according to the value chart, Colts could move 26 and 34 to get to around #8 or so. I don’t think Ballard would do it...but Eberflus was at Josh Allen’s pro day today. I wonder if there’s a guy they would consider doing it for.

Originally Posted by VeveJones007 (Post 114292)

I don’t think it’s been brought up: according to the value chart, Colts could move 26 and 34 to get to around #8 or so. I don’t think Ballard would do it...but Eberflus was at Josh Allen’s pro day today. I wonder if there’s a guy they would consider doing it for.

Originally Posted by VeveJones007 (Post 114292)

I don’t think it’s been brought up: according to the value chart, Colts could move 26 and 34 to get to around #8 or so. I don’t think Ballard would do it...but Eberflus was at Josh Allen’s pro day today. I wonder if there’s a guy they would consider doing it for.

Originally Posted by Coltsalr (Post 114414)

This Mock has Sweat dropping to #8, do you do that one?:

https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2019/3/...dwayne-haskins

Originally Posted by Coltsalr (Post 114414)

This Mock has Sweat dropping to #8, do you do that one?:

https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2019/3/...dwayne-haskins

Originally Posted by FatDT (Post 114432)

He has two years of good stats against quality competition. He tested well athletically. He looked like the best player at the Senior Bowl. And he'd be part of a rotation here rather than the #1 guy immediately. While I don't think trading both picks away to take him at 8 is a good idea, if Ballard traded #26 and some other picks to move up for him I think it would make sense. He seems like a good player with the potential to be an excellent player as he gets stronger and develops more technique.

Originally Posted by VeveJones007 (Post 114434)

It's a move that would make sense and is certainly justifiable, but I think Ballard would prefer to get two shots in the top 34 rather than one higher pick.

Though, I may be reading too much into last year's trade and his comments like "I like them picks," which is why I broached this and said I wonder if there's a specific player exception he would make.

Originally Posted by Coltsalr (Post 114414)

This Mock has Sweat dropping to #8, do you do that one?:

https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2019/3/...dwayne-haskins

Originally Posted by VeveJones007 (Post 114460)

Another option could be packaging 26 + 59 to get to somewhere like 14-16. Would Ballard be interested in doing that if Oliver starts to fall? What if he and Eberflus love a guy like Brian Burns? Am I spending too much time considering this? Undoubtedly.

Originally Posted by FatDT (Post 114467)

I would do that for Burns no problem.

Originally Posted by VeveJones007 (Post 114460)

Am I spending too much time considering this? Undoubtedly.

Originally Posted by smitty46953 (Post 114477)

Yes :cool: I think Ballard would rather pick twice

Originally Posted by smitty46953 (Post 114477)

Yes :cool: I think Ballard would rather pick twice

Originally Posted by Luck4Reich (Post 114490)

He said it himself "I like them picks."

Originally Posted by Coltsalr (Post 114414)

This Mock has Sweat dropping to #8, do you do that one?:

https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2019/3/...dwayne-haskins

Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 114492)

Sweat certainly caught the attention of Irsay. I have a feeling they were looking at him till he blew up at the combine. Ballard might have to talk him down from that deal. Then again, if Ballard likes him, he might trade a pick to get him.

Still I think we get a DT and DE with those top three picks. The last one I’m trying to figure out what they do. Maybe just BPA.