Maybe there was an agreement to keep that part in house. You call it lying, as if you think the team is transparent all the time. We both know better than that. Just know that either Shane said nothing, or he said something, and the two agreed to keep it private. My guess is they are keeping it private for a mutual benefit. First, if AR says what it was, it could hurt his chances later in the league. Second, if Shane says what it is, he could hurt the Colts trade compensation if they choose to go that route. Neither side benefits from putting it out there for public consumption.

Don't forget Nick Cross starting for 1 1/2 games two season ago.

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You want to see dysfunctional ???

Look at what this fucking asshole did in the game between the Jets and the Texans that is going on right now.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P47bPDBG1y8



The ball rolled out of the end-zone after he dropped it.

No touchdown.

It was a touch-back for the Texans ....... they got the ball on their own 20-yardline.

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I found it.





http://www.coltfreaks.com/forum/show...ght=Richardson

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Okay, color me lost, perplexed, fucking dismayed, fucking pissed, whatever you want to color me...

So from what I have been seeing all day in catch ups, numerous leaders of this team are confirming they were not alerted of this by the team, not by Steichan or even Ballard, but instead got it through the media just like us.

Add in that yesterday AR when asked if he was explained why he was losing his spot said "Nah not really, I just gotta get better", only for today Steichen to come out and say he AND Ballard had a 30-45 minute convo directly with AR about it...

Man if so, man just gut this entire structure- GUT IT. If Steichen is so bad at communicating critical team dynamics to our core guys, if he didn't even explain the evaluation to AR until a day after (radio guys are concluding he didn't initially explain it but then later sat him down- after AR's comments) man just can his ass right fucking now too.

How, how in the absolute fucking hell can this organization continue to step on their own dick over and over and over????

Can we please get some competent fucking professional football people in the building???

I said this in another thread. This decision was not based entirely on the events of Sundays, but rather a culmination of events over several weeks or longer.

The younger generation can sometimes be as dumb as fuck and not realize that there will serious consequences, when criticism is given. So he had to be sat down to go over all of it again.

Don't always assume it's on the organization, when it's usually on the player.

If he wants to know why he is benched just have him roll the tape of himself playing. He is a fucking horrible QB.

Nothing to do with the fucking gross negligence of seemingly every fucking single employ of this organization. It just seems it is a constant face palm with the Colts for the last fucking 2,000 or so years. Damn, get your shit together fuckers!

Still doesn't justify these fucking bumbling idiots not being able to call a meeting, even if it is with 6-8 key guys and lay it out for them to actually be there as a source of stability post declaration.

Further, Steichen apparently said he doesn't have a pulse on the attitude of the team? What in the fuck have we done hiring this dude? Gezus Christ!

All of that makes it worse not better. If there were long simmering issues then AFTER the Houston game was a bad time to change if it’s about making the playoffs. If it’s about developing AR then not IMMEDIATELY explaining it to him and saying that you “can’t predict the future” when asked if he will start again are fucking stupid. And having the entire team find out from the media and letting it turn into a clown show are just ridiculous.

Wow, that was a fun bit of thread necromancy. I had forgotten about the draft Richardson, trade for Lamar strategy. That would've been fun, unfortunately the Ravens resigned Lamar on draft day IIRC. Still wish the Colts had traded to 1 for Stroud.

Do you realize what a strict schedule these coaches have in order to prepare for the next game? Steichen should not have wasted 1 moment longer than necessary to inform Richardson of his status.

To do anything else would have made things worse by not coaching the other 53 guys and catering to the insecurities of the QB. That's why Steichen and Ballard waited until Friday. Because, by then, the hay was in the barn as for preparing for the Vikings.

I agree with you though about Steichen saying he doesn't have a pulse on the attitude of the team. If so, that would be impeachable. But, of course he was lying to spare Richardson some dignity.

Unless there's some bad behind the scenes stuff, I'm blaming this on the organization.

Everyone and their mother knew that this could be a rough season for him, but it was critical he gets his reps in. Yet they bailed on this plan really quickly.

So yesterday apparently there was a fan with an "Andrew Luck got hurt snowboarding" line on the morning show with Bowen and Sweeny but they decided not to air it because it wasn't vetted. They even talked about the thoughts about whether or not it should be shared due to sounding credible, but that's where it stopped.

What will really really really suck is if we find out this dude has not been the guy they've claimed he is to us so fervently. There were so many comments from the staff about his leadership, constantly in the play book, pestering them with questions. They are the ones that chose to put the C on his uniform. All of that makes it so difficult to see how this would just be performance related vs not performing AND not being the professional leader the team needs.

If we find out that's some concocted BS and AR isn't who they have been selling us on, and THAT is why he has been shelved, oh man, if that's the case, every fucking public facing role in the org should be replaced- and THAT, that would touch Jim because that charade would be him just trying to keep butts in seats despite KNOWING we were headed toward suckville!

I thought the players picked the captains?

True, so even more vexing; if he's been some lazy Dbag, how the fuck he get the Captainship from the fellas?

Man this all just stinks to hell!

I don't know the answer to this, but how many teams that choose pre-season captains leave their starting QB out? I would think almost none.

I think part could just be the weight of the position. By definition, the guy you roll with at QB needs to be a leader and a captain, so teammates probably default to that vote anyway. Even if it's not full-hearted.

Again, this is just going with the premise that any of this is true.

Man....this team needs win against the Vikings Sunday Night, if they get smoked, next week is going to be a bad soap opera!

I like Irsay but he is probably guilty of this.

I have watched ownership play this same smoke & mirrors bullshit game to keep the seats filled for almost 25 years.

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Through 10 career starts, Richardson has a higher passer rating than Peyton Manning, Eli Manning, Donovan McNabb, and Matthew Stafford.



SOURCE: ) https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/...1b2a75ecd0d0a6

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Saw this on TT

https://www.tiktok.com/@capalottakes..._t=8r31zfSC0H1

I think we really F'd up making this move. I don't THINK, I fucking KNOW we F'd up the execution of it.

The Vikings will let us East Coasters get to bed by half time. Vikings 31-14.

If they truly believed in Richardson they would not have signed Flacco in the first place

Completely disagree. They signed Mark Rypien to be there with Peyton; basically the exact type of situation.

If they didn't believe in AR, then good God almighty- please please please take Ballard out of the organization in cuffs!

Okay- Steven Holder just now on JMV, and this is the first time I have heard this "confirmed".

Their discussion resulted in what seems to be a confirmation that AR was not putting in the work. Characterized as a last in first out type of thing. Inferred that he also was not killing it in the QB room, not cracking the books, etc... Finally said there was also some unhappiness with some of the "hangers on" that he was spending time with and committing time to. Apparently he just didn't get the gravity of the job and all that comes with it.

Further, Holder said that he is convinced the benching is a Steichen decision. He has a very rational position- when Jim has been at the heart of a decision and there has been criticism, Jim typically pipes up... he has been a ghost during this controversy.

So, this gets really interesting.

Is this a this season development, or is this a since the beginning of his tenure thing?

If this has been the case since the beginning:
1- THEY FUCKING BEEN LYING TO US!
2- Ballard has to be fired over it! He is the vetter, his job title is tasked with making sure all the boxes check. If this has been this way since he got here---- a MASSIVE swing and miss by an all time hack artist! FIRE HIM!

If this just started this season, well fuck, then there's some interesting questions about leadership there:
1- You would assume this has been a thing since TC- and if so, then why the FUCK coming off a rehab, wouldn't they sit him down THEN and tell him this shit isn't acceptable and they have to sit him for a bit to start the season- send a huge message of accountability but also be able to hide it under "his shoulder just isn't ready yet"? You get 7 games into the season before you do this shit- a point where it is definitely going to fuck with the entire fabric of the team? Fuck, if they are that incompetent, and they may be, fuuuuck!
2- You would logically jump to Steichen saying fuck it- we need to win so we'll put up with some of his bullshit in the need for W's. We aren't winning and Steichen just snaps and shuts him down out of anger viewing it from the prism that his lack of commitment is the thing holding us back.
3- If that's the case, Steichen has basically written his own pink slip because that would say no one other than him was ready to go to this level and his bet on Flacco to cover for him, busted.
4- Here's where I find it the most interesting. What if this JUST started happening? When I watched him in camp, he looked dialed in and was a ferociously infectious personality. So this shit starts when the season kicks off? If so, then there is a massive leadership void that probably never resolves. It would say to me at the time when the players must lock in and dedicate 24/7 for 6 straight months- AR just doesn't get it. He worked hard in camp, proved his health, got the job and then said "fuck it, I don't have to keep working like that". If he, in his 2nd year, after a year of being out, decided he could "loaf" because he was back as the starting QB and it was all just going to be there no matter what, well then that would say he has a character flaw and one that I doubt ever resolves itself- that is a remarkable lack of self-awareness.

I'm not defending AR here, in any way shape or form. What I do know is that AR has a new baby and that he's engaged to the mother.

My guess is that AR is not yet ready for all of life's events, as most 21 year olds are not. Compile that with being a staring NFL QB that is rehabbing from injury, I can see where it's just a whirlwind to him. I know that I couldn't handle all of that shit at 21 yrs old.

So AR does need to grow, both personally and professionally. The Colts are just giving him some breathing room so that can possibly happen.

Okay, so, a giant Fugazi?

This would be giving a few dudes that I have convinced myself are really fucking stupid, a lot of credit, unlikely but I suppose possible...

"Jim, Chris, we aren't winning shit this year, we just need to admit and accept it. We really need to be focused on next year and being ready then. Anthony is starting to crack- too much on him. The tap out, it's all stacking up on him right now. We aren't winning the next 4 games, and by the end of these 4 games he may be so fractured we can never get him back. So, let's sit him, say we're ready to compete and that's the reason for Flacco. Let him take the heat for how bad we're gonna be. The final 5 games, all very winnable but we're probably out of contention. We put Anthony back in, the pressure is off, lower caliber of competition, we try to build his confidence back up to come into next year with some momentum."

"Shane, makes sense, put it in motion."

Plausible, not probable, but there has to be SOME kind of plan right- I mean there has to be?

I would love for this to be the plan. I was such a believer in the AR is a sponge, soaking it all up, driven to be an all-time great, etc... man it is hard to hold onto that ideology right now but I sure as hell want to!

I heard it also… I think Holder doesn’t have a clue either. All these reporters are grasping at straws. All the Colts front office know Holder has a great relationship with Richardson so they’re not gonna tell him anything. Furthermore there’s no way Shane has that much fuckin authority… there’s way too much investment in AR to give up on him now. Not to mention Kevin O Connell clearly telling AR after the game “I know Shane still believes in you”

All that work ethic stuff may be true and if so how long is the punishment for that??? The rest of the season??? And if he doesn’t change his ways then what???

They drafted a project athlete that hasn’t had to work hard all of his life and they expected him to walk in the door at 20 years old with a Peyton Manning work ethic???

All this shits stinks to an unbelievable level of incompetence.

Heard Holder again today and he was asked if Richardson will be the Colts QB 2 years from now… he said No he doesn’t think so.

He said he will be a QB and wants to be a QB but this has greatly affected how he thought the organization viewed him.

He said these are just guesses by him… but I’m saying he has a strong relationship with Richardson

Holy fuck they may have fucked this up all the way around

Flacco to start this week against the Jets !!! AR should ask to be traded!!! Jets will have more sacks this week then points generated by Flacco !!! Colt's are officially in year 9 of Ballards 10 year plan !!!

Yeah this is a cluster fuck that is of historical levels of complete dumb fuckery!

Oh FFS. Could whoever made the call to bench AR get past their fucking ego(s) , admit they fucked up, and put AR back in. Unless of course AR was indeed fucking off way too much. Then I guess stick w/ the current shit show :rolleyes:

Still makes no sense… so did this just start? Has this been his work ethic all along and they were ok with it? Until he starts regressing and then the tap out was the final straw?

And again I go back to… we knew what we were getting a YOUNG, raw, project, athlete of a QB and it was gonna be a roller coaster. Yet here we are waving our hands and screaming to get off the ride after what appears to be a nose dive.

In my opinion they should’ve stuck by the guy, even after the tap out. Walk in the fuckin press conference and say he’s still our guy and he’s learning but he’s gonna put it all together

Totally agree with everything you're saying. Maybe AR kept telling Steichen and the coaching staff that he'd start putting in the time and didn't. Then when he started to regress and he still wasn't putting in the time (or maybe putting in less) then the coaching staff decided they had it.

Another thought I had is that AR tested positive for PEDs, etc. But I think teams have to announce when a player is suspended by the league??

More than likely it's that Irsay said we need to make the playoffs this year or else.

Just grasping at straws here. Such a fucked up situation.

AR back to QB1. Just announced

As it should be

Well that was a wasted 2 weeks

They finally came to their fucking senses. How come the people on this board appear to be so much smarter than the coaches and administration. Oh never mind, I know why!

Season ticket renewals are due the day after tomorrow.

Just listened to Venturi for a bit on JMV, wow he encapsulated this all quite well.

What kind of a fucked up misconstrued, ass backward, incompetent organization have we become?

His take, Steichen gave AR a time-out for the tap out. He then basically points the finger back at Irsay for the commentary being planted that AR was this low work ethic bum in order to provide some cover for the org. This despite them telling us for 2 years he is the antithesis of that. Then went on to blast this whole "the D is doing their job" bullshit- 30th against the run, 27th against the pass, last in 4th quarter yardage, 30th on 3rd down, yada yada yada... this DEFENSE SUCKS!

Glad AR is back, hope he comes back and miraculously goes on a rip and we see tons of potential and feel good about next year. Then I hope Ballard, Steichen, and Bradley are all fucking shit canned the day after the season for fucking once again making the Colts the laughingstock of the NFL!