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Originally Posted by Puck (Post 344459)

Evan Sidery
@esidery
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1h
Kyler Murray has interest in joining the Vikings or Colts as potential free agent destinations, per
@AlbertBreer
(https://si.com/nfl/albert-breer-mail...inline-text-43).

Who Minnesota prioritizes between Daniel Jones, who can be signed off the transition tag, and Murray could determine which QB lands where.

Please please please fucking no. Dude can't see the field- and not just from a height deficit, from a understanding fucking routes perspective. Hell fuck no!

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Originally Posted by ChoppedWood (Post 344461)

Please please please fucking no. Dude can't see the field- and not just from a height deficit, from a understanding fucking routes perspective. Hell fuck no!

Ugh. Choosing between Murray and Jones is like choosing a less stinky turd.

For the record, I think I’d choose Murray.

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Originally Posted by Puck (Post 344435)

Derek Larger
@derek_larger
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10h
Michael Pittman's best season was 2023: 109 receptions, 1,152 yards, 4 TD's

Alec Pierce had 100 less yards than that in 2025, with 62 less receptions and 72 less targets!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sure, Pittman makes more receptions most years than him, but Pierce does way more with less!

IMO, Both are quality receivers.

Pierce is a deep threat and has only scratched the surface of his potential.

Pittman is a drive extender. He keeps the chains moving and that is valuable. Not 29 million dollars valuable, so he either needs to have his contract tweaked or he needs to go.

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Originally Posted by albany ed (Post 344464)

I like MJP. He was down in numbers last season but was injured. Dude played with a broken back. He is tough as hell and would probably be missed
But yea that injury makes me wonder if they can/should renegotiate or try to move him.

Franchise tag amounts are based on the top 5 of the position. For wide receiver, that amount is 27 million. For next season MJP has a cap hit of 29 million.

That's 10% of the entire salary cap. Add in DJ and together they take up 22% of the entire cap.

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Originally Posted by Puck (Post 344459)

My gut sez hell no but then again, if Richardson bails, we can get Murray at Vet Minimum just in case DJ is not ready and shits the bed. Murray is no step up but has at lest seen the field a few times.... Just my clueless but humble ass opinion.

I'm sure most of you guys have seen it, but Maxx Crosby is going to the Ravens for the Ravens 2026 and 2027 1st rounders. Too bad we weren't able to get in on that.

Also, Ryan Kelly retired. So kudos to Ballard for proactively drafting a replacement and allowing Kelly to walk when we did.

I don't want any midget QB on my team.

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Originally Posted by ChaosTheory (Post 344130)

Maybe, but you're right, it's hindsight. Basically any hypothetical you throw out will look better and we don't have the luxury of seeing the outcome. Some people think Aaron Rodgers or Patrick Mahomes wouldn't be what they are if they didn't sit. I don't particularly agree, but that's also a separate topic.

Steichen’s track record with QBs belies the claim that AR failed due to a lack of mentorship. Between Herbert, Hurts, Minshew, Jones... Seems AR is the outlier, not Steichen's mentorship.

I think there's a huge tendency for people to act like these players are simply chess pieces controlled by their masters. Jalen Hurts had plenty of issues and concerns, but he was also showing up to the building for 12-15 hour days.

All that said, I don't hate on AR like it may sound. I think the injuries definitely derailed progress and he has worked to fix things. But damage was already done and I don't begrudge them if they try to salvage something in a trade.

All of the QBs you mentioned had significantly more playing experience than AR and were older than him as well. If ever there was a case to bring in a vet mentor and try to develop a QB slowly AR certainly was it, and the shit show results definitely prove it.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying it's all the Colts fault. AR certainly played his part as well, but IMO the Colts organization failed AR just as much as he failed them. And not just in his play development. Take his eye injury for example. Why didn't someone from the Colts staff have AR safely use a piece of exercise equipment designed to old resistance bands rather than allow him to use a makeshift setup in his locker?

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Originally Posted by BCN#1 (Post 344489)

If we do move AR and Murray is willing to sign at or near the vet minimum then sure, why not. But I'm sure he'll want at least a 1 year show it deal similar to what we signed Jones to.