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Chromeburn 03-25-2020 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Puck (Post 157529)
Nah. They wont draft a QB this yr. Other than Burrow or Tua the rest are just players taking up a roster space. How many of the others are actually more talented than Kelly? JB is here for this yr . they will look next yr.

I like Jaime Newman in next yrs draft

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HiaX2wEHq0g

Newman might end up being a top ten pick. He was already on teams radars and the QB coach at Georgia is a good one and well thought of. He has a good season we will likely have to trade up for him the same as Lawrence and Fields.

Racehorse 03-25-2020 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 157501)
A name to keep in mind draft day is James Morgan of Florida Int. Supposedly several teams are interested including us. We have been vetting him. So likely a later round pick spent on a QB.

My worry is we will end up like the Vikings the last couple years. Squad good enough to win the super bowl, can’t find a QB to lead them there.

I think the guy will be a quality starter in the league. Hope we get him.

Dam8610 03-26-2020 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 157501)
A name to keep in mind draft day is James Morgan of Florida Int. Supposedly several teams are interested including us. We have been vetting him. So likely a later round pick spent on a QB.

My worry is we will end up like the Vikings the last couple years. Squad good enough to win the super bowl, can’t find a QB to lead them there.

I just watched him and I see why the Colts would be interested. Give the kid a clean pocket (or even relatively clean) and he's got the arm for any throw. He needs some of the gunslinger mentality coached out of him, but he's got a cannon and he knows how to put touch on a throw as well. It's not often you see a small school guy like that dropping 40+ yard fades over the receiver's shoulder on the sideline. He did it with regularity and ease.

Colt Classic 03-27-2020 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 157752)
I just watched him and I see why the Colts would be interested. Give the kid a clean pocket (or even relatively clean) and he's got the arm for any throw. He needs some of the gunslinger mentality coached out of him, but he's got a cannon and he knows how to put touch on a throw as well. It's not often you see a small school guy like that dropping 40+ yard fades over the receiver's shoulder on the sideline. He did it with regularity and ease.

I watched the highlights against Miami. What's the story on his receiver #16? I'd take both of them.

Chromeburn 03-27-2020 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 157752)
I just watched him and I see why the Colts would be interested. Give the kid a clean pocket (or even relatively clean) and he's got the arm for any throw. He needs some of the gunslinger mentality coached out of him, but he's got a cannon and he knows how to put touch on a throw as well. It's not often you see a small school guy like that dropping 40+ yard fades over the receiver's shoulder on the sideline. He did it with regularity and ease.

There is some potential there. Goes through his progressions fast. Moves within the pocket. Finds his outlet. Height and arm seem big enough. He must have interviewed well to be popping up on teams radar. I like a little gunslinger. Need that bravado to push and win games. I don’t want Brett Farve who can’t tell the difference between nickle and dime. But have to play with no fear. I’d like to see more. I think accuracy is the most important trait, if he measures up I would take a flyer on him.

Chromeburn 03-27-2020 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Colt Classic (Post 157764)
I watched the highlights against Miami. What's the story on his receiver #16? I'd take both of them.

http://www.draftscout.com/dsprofile....DraftYear=2020

Dad was a journeyman wr in the league. Doubt he will get drafted in this class.

Luck4Reich 03-27-2020 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Colt Classic (Post 157764)
I watched the highlights against Miami. What's the story on his receiver #16? I'd take both of them.

Tony Gaiter. Reminds me a bit of Terrence Wilkins. What I like about him is it looks like he stepped up a lot against tougher competition. He had big games vs Miami, Marshall and Umass I believe.

He will probably go undrafted? The WR draft class is just so plentiful. I wouldnt mind if we grabbed him as a UDFA.

Colt Classic 03-27-2020 01:05 PM

He was running hard in the Miami highlights. It’s not a bad idea to take a flier on the QB’s go-to guy in last year’s bigger games for them.

Dam8610 03-27-2020 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Colt Classic (Post 157764)
I watched the highlights against Miami. What's the story on his receiver #16? I'd take both of them.

I'd grab him as a UDFA.

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Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 157776)
There is some potential there. Goes through his progressions fast. Moves within the pocket. Finds his outlet. Height and arm seem big enough. He must have interviewed well to be popping up on teams radar. I like a little gunslinger. Need that bravado to push and win games. I don’t want Brett Farve who can’t tell the difference between nickle and dime. But have to play with no fear. I’d like to see more. I think accuracy is the most important trait, if he measures up I would take a flyer on him.

I said coach a little of the gunslinger mentality out of him, not entirely get rid of it. He plays hero ball too much, and that happens when you're down late or down big, but you wouldn't want him to do those things in the NFL.

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Originally Posted by Luck4Reich (Post 157783)
Tony Gaiter. Reminds me a bit of Terrence Wilkins. What I like about him is it looks like he stepped up a lot against tougher competition. He had big games vs Miami, Marshall and Umass I believe.

He will probably go undrafted? The WR draft class is just so plentiful. I wouldnt mind if we grabbed him as a UDFA.

Couldn't agree more.

Chromeburn 04-01-2020 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 157776)
There is some potential there. Goes through his progressions fast. Moves within the pocket. Finds his outlet. Height and arm seem big enough. He must have interviewed well to be popping up on teams radar. I like a little gunslinger. Need that bravado to push and win games. I don’t want Brett Farve who can’t tell the difference between nickle and dime. But have to play with no fear. I’d like to see more. I think accuracy is the most important trait, if he measures up I would take a flyer on him.

Stampede blue does an interview with Morgan.

https://www.stampedeblue.com/2020/4/...-international

What I didn't realize is that our QB coach was running the offense at the east-west shrine game and Morgan was working with him that week. Interesting connection.

Racehorse 04-01-2020 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 158074)
Stampede blue does an interview with Morgan.

https://www.stampedeblue.com/2020/4/...-international

What I didn't realize is that our QB coach was running the offense at the east-west shrine game and Morgan was working with him that week. Interesting connection.

I will say it again. I hope this guy ends up wearing the horseshoe.

Dam8610 04-01-2020 02:30 PM

Brett Kollman did a video breakdown of Clyde Edwards-Helaire. This is a guy who may be available at 75, and would be a steal if he's still there.

Chromeburn 04-02-2020 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 158093)
Brett Kollman did a video breakdown of Clyde Edwards-Helaire. This is a guy who may be available at 75, and would be a steal if he's still there.

I love Edwards Hilare. Burrow called him the best player on the team. That team is all 5 star talents.

Dam8610 04-02-2020 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 158154)
I love Edwards Hilare. Burrow called him the best player on the team. That team is all 5 star talents.

IMO the Colts don't need a RB, but Edwards-Helaire stands out on the film in every game. If he's there at 75, he's hands down BPA and not taking him would be stupid. That said, I'd also be happy with the oft mocked scenario of Tee Higgins at 34, Jacob Eason at 44, and Hunter Bryant at 75.

ukcolt 04-05-2020 08:14 AM

There are 2 University of Washington linemen who are expected to be drafted this year who are both fairly well regarded, Tackle Trey Adams, and C/G Nick Harris i would be very surprised if we were not seriously looking at both of these prospects with the history of our offensive line coach Chris Strausser. Looks like they are both likely to be 3rd or 4th round picks. Adams was a highly rated left tackle prospect during his freshman season but has suffered several serious injuries. But he didn't miss any games his senior year and could be a really nice mid round pick up.

Dam8610 04-05-2020 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by ukcolt (Post 158310)
There are 2 University of Washington linemen who are expected to be drafted this year who are both fairly well regarded, Tackle Trey Adams, and C/G Nick Harris i would be very surprised if we were not seriously looking at both of these prospects with the history of our offensive line coach Chris Strausser. Looks like they are both likely to be 3rd or 4th round picks. Adams was a highly rated left tackle prospect during his freshman season but has suffered several serious injuries. But he didn't miss any games his senior year and could be a really nice mid round pick up.

Adams is developmental and I wouldn't want him before Round 4. I'd much rather have Ezra Cleveland or Robert Hunt.

Racehorse 04-06-2020 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 158323)
Adams is developmental and I wouldn't want him before Round 4. I'd much rather have Ezra Cleveland or Robert Hunt.

He said "mid round, which would be 4. seven rounds. Three before 4. Three after.

smitty46953 04-06-2020 02:44 PM

Adam Schefter‏Verified account @AdamSchefter

Now official: NFL now has informed teams it will do a virtual draft this year. GMs and HCs now will be drafting from their homes.

:cool:

nate505 04-06-2020 03:34 PM

Schefter had a good idea. They should make the draft a 7 day event per round. It would give teams more time to draft, and it would make each day an event. Usually that would be torture, but in these times it would at least be something. Or even making it Round 1, Rounds 2/3, Rounds 4/5, Rounds 6/7 across four days.

Puck 04-06-2020 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by nate505 (Post 158380)
Schefter had a good idea. They should make the draft a 7 day event per round. It would give teams more time to draft, and it would make each day an event. Usually that would be torture, but in these times it would at least be something. Or even making it Round 1, Rounds 2/3, Rounds 4/5, Rounds 6/7 across four days.

7 days PER ROUND???

JAFF 04-06-2020 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Puck (Post 158387)
7 days PER ROUND???

1 round a day?

nate505 04-06-2020 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Puck (Post 158387)
7 days PER ROUND???

Uh, ok, so I could have phrased it better :D

1 day per round haha.

AlwaysSunnyinIndy 04-07-2020 11:57 AM

Wonder if this impacts Aiyuk's draft stock at all? I know most mock drafts are projecting late 1st round / early 2nd round for him:


https://twitter.com/MikeGarafolo/sta...41067466952708

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Arizona State WR Brandon Aiyuk, a possible first-round pick, underwent a core-muscle surgery today performed by noted surgeon William Meyers, sources say. Aiyuk has been dealing with the issue the last few months. Ran 4.50 at the Combine. Decided to fix now with no OTAs in sight.

Chromeburn 04-08-2020 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by ukcolt (Post 158310)
There are 2 University of Washington linemen who are expected to be drafted this year who are both fairly well regarded, Tackle Trey Adams, and C/G Nick Harris i would be very surprised if we were not seriously looking at both of these prospects with the history of our offensive line coach Chris Strausser. Looks like they are both likely to be 3rd or 4th round picks. Adams was a highly rated left tackle prospect during his freshman season but has suffered several serious injuries. But he didn't miss any games his senior year and could be a really nice mid round pick up.

There is an Auburn lineman named Jack Driscoll. He tested out really high athletically, one of the highest, and had a decent season. He is lost in the scrum of OT's in this draft. But if you are looking for a backup developmental tackle he is definitely a guy to look at. When he drafted Nelson and Smith, they were two of the highest testing oline men in the draft. Smith actually tested higher than Nelson.

Chromeburn 04-10-2020 12:55 PM

There is a late riser in the QB area. Jake Lukton of Oregon St. is 6-6 about 230lbs and is generating some buzz. He apparently has some fixable issues technique-wise but he throws with anticipation and see the field well. He would need some work but teams think at the least he will be a quality backup.

Lawrence Owen 04-12-2020 01:00 AM

Netane Muti
 
The #34 i'd use on a WR, preferable a long 50/50 like Mim's or Higgins, (I like them both for different reasons) Since we already have small quick speedster gadget guy's on the roster like Hilton and Hines(yes he's a RB, but fill's that gadget reciever position really well)

At #44 give me Netane Muti. I know many don't know him because he's not really high on many boards, but he would have been had he not had Achilles injuries in the past that limited his exposure. He is an absolute beast at Guard, and would solidify the line even more at RG. He plows people in the run game. People might think I'm nuts, but I seriously think he has top 3 guard NFL guard potential, and right out the gate.

Dam8610 04-15-2020 09:49 PM

After watching this, I want Denzel Mims at 34. Kollman provides some interesting analysis, but the thing that really impressed me throughout the highlights that wasn't really mentioned by him was the body control Mims has. So many of those catches were reminiscent of prime Reggie Wayne in that respect. His ability to contort himself to make the catch on the boundary while still keeping his feet in bounds is incredible, much like Wayne in his prime. But then also Mims is faster and bigger. So basically what I took away from that film was that his ceiling is bigger, faster, more physical Reggie Wayne. Any team would get better with that player.

Racehorse 04-16-2020 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 158961)
After watching this, I want Denzel Mims at 34. Kollman provides some interesting analysis, but the thing that really impressed me throughout the highlights that wasn't really mentioned by him was the body control Mims has. So many of those catches were reminiscent of prime Reggie Wayne in that respect. His ability to contort himself to make the catch on the boundary while still keeping his feet in bounds is incredible, much like Wayne in his prime. But then also Mims is faster and bigger. So basically what I took away from that film was that his ceiling is bigger, faster, more physical Reggie Wayne. Any team would get better with that player.

A video about a device for trimming your intimate parts?

Dam8610 04-16-2020 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Racehorse (Post 158974)
A video about a device for trimming your intimate parts?

I skipped the ad, but I can understand why someone more interested in such things might not.

Racehorse 04-16-2020 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 158977)
I skipped the ad, but I can understand why someone more interested in such things might not.

The 40 time on that thing is magnificent. You would have liked it.

Puck 04-16-2020 05:57 PM

Jeremy Chinn.

Dam8610 04-16-2020 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Puck (Post 159015)
Jeremy Chinn.

Would definitely agree in Round 3.

apballin 04-16-2020 07:10 PM

Pittman or Claypool for me

Puck 04-16-2020 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 159027)
Would definitely agree in Round 3.

He wont make that far. IMO he will get taken with the 34 or 44 He is the ultimate Colts pick. Has everything needed to be a beast in the league.

Yea yea WR. but the draft is deep with WR and Rivers at QB will make what we already have look a million times better than JB did

On record I would take him at 34 if he's there. And is the player I am hoping for

Dam8610 04-17-2020 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Puck (Post 159037)
He wont make that far. IMO he will get taken with the 34 or 44 He is the ultimate Colts pick. Has everything needed to be a beast in the league.

Yea yea WR. but the draft is deep with WR and Rivers at QB will make what we already have look a million times better than JB did

On record I would take him at 34 if he's there. And is the player I am hoping for

Derwin James is the ceiling, but TJ Green is the floor. He makes a lot of highlight plays, but between those plays, he's too often effectively taken out of the play by 1-AA opponents. He certainly has all the tools to succeed, but is going to need a lot of coaching and probably an effective redshirt year to put those tools together into becoming a successful player.

smitty46953 04-17-2020 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Puck (Post 159015)
Jeremy Chinn.

Did not know much about Chinn. Had heard the name but who watches the Saluki's? So did some digging.

Jeremy Chinn
College: Southern Illinois
Position: Safety
Ht: 6-3 Wt: 212

Jeremy Chinn is an Indianapolis home grown athlete having played his high school ball at Fishers High School. Chinn is a physical specimen. He has a chiseled, muscular frame with incredible explosiveness. Tall, with ideal length. Burst and long speed enable him to take aggressive angles in pursuit attacking the football. Based on raw athletic talent alone, Jeremy Chinn could and I stress “could” be as good as any safety in this class. Chinn had a heck of a Combine with one of the best performances from anyone, regardless of position. However, reportedly he had a terrible week of practice at the Senior Bowl. Could that be the level of competition? Chinn could line up as both safety and linebacker and provide the versatility of a poor mans’ Isaiah Simmons. He has fantastic straight-line speed when pursuing ball carriers and can track down just about any play, regardless of where he starts on the field.

Chinn possesses fantastic upside, but he also carries a lot of risk. The Southern Illinois product is anything but a natural at the position, as he’s constantly late to diagnose plays. Has room to grow in terms of processing and instinct. Chinn is more of a reactive defender at this point and needs coached up. He overcomes his modest instincts with his pure athletic ability. But, will that translate to the NFL where the level of competition will be much greater than he faced at Southern Illinois? He can be a bit late in off man coverage to close down space when he's aligned off the football. Even with his great speed, he’s typically a step late to make a play on the ball. This implies that he’s going to struggle to adjust to NFL competition. Ultimately, Chinn is a high-risk, high-reward type of prospect that can either make or break a draft class. I would love to see the Colts add him to their roster. However, not until the 3rd round with the #75 pick. I like to take the BPA, while addressing needs too. I just don’t see Chinn being the BPA in the 2nd round at #34 or #44 for our Colts.
:cool:

Spike 04-17-2020 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by smitty46953 (Post 159060)

I just don’t see Chinn being the BPA in the 2nd round at #34 or #44 for our Colts.
:cool:

I don't either.

Ironshaft 04-17-2020 03:11 PM

Stampede Blue Draft Exercise
 
Stampede Blue released two articles Thursday and Friday that make for an interesting exercise for the draft.

The first one, released Thursday by Zach Hicks, listed his top 200 “big board.” I have no idea who Zach Hicks is but when I read his articles, I agree with them for the most part and he obviously has put in the time to try and study the top xx number of kids heading for the draft. Let’s use that as item number one in our exercise as a realistic look at talent evaluation.

The second article released today by Jake Arthur takes all of the players drafted, signed or retained by Chris Ballard during his time as GM and compares a “minimum” level of physical traits by position group. He then lines up draftee candidates against those minimum criteria and shows who hits them. His minimum number of traits to make his list is half of the category maximum (i.e. if there are 12 traits for a position group, a player must hit 6 of them to be on the list).

Putting those two articles together, I looked at a draft where player value (the “big” board) had to be within 2 spots ahead of our draft position to 10 spots below our draft position (i.e. drafting #34, you can pick players ranked from #32 to #44) along with who had the best minimum trait scores as this would hopefully indicate the type of player Ballard is targeting. I tried drafting mostly for BPA but did acknowledge that I would have to target a couple of spots that I thought the Colts were thin on primarily WR, TE and depth O-Line.

Using that criteria, here the results:

2nd Round, #34 Overall – RB Jonathan Taylor, Wisconsin. #34 on the “big” board; hits 11 of 11 physical traits for RB

Not where I would have gone for team need but Taylor hits this exercise as being at #34 on the “big” board and is the only RB in the draft class to hit on 11 of 11 physical traits of the running backs. He has all the skills to be an elite RB in the NFL and could really take a TON of pressure off Rivers to make aggressive decisions in the passing game. Behind our offensive line, Taylor could be a beast. Pairing him with Mack and Hines with more double RB formations could really create some mismatches as opposing defenses stay in base defense to defend the run and then we flex Hines or Mack out as a slot receiver. BPA in this case really lines up. He is an offensive weapon if not one at the position where we need help most.

2nd Round, #44 Overall – OT Ezra Cleveland, Boise State. #50 on the “big” board; hits 12 of 12 physical traits for OTs

Cleveland is the only OT in the draft class to hit all 12 of the physical traits established by Ballard. He is also a position of “need-ish” in my book because there is no one currently on the roster that could play left OT if something happens to Castonzo. In year one, he can challenge for playing time by either sliding inside to take Glowinski’s spot or show he could hold down right OT and allow Smith to slide inside. A great place where value and need line up, IMO and strengthened and already strong O-line.

3rd Round, #75 Overall – WR Chase Claypool, Notre Dame. #74 on the “big” board; hits 10 of 12 physical traits for WRs

Wow, value is really lining up. Only two receivers hit more physical traits than Claypool (Pittman Jr and Mims). Claypool hits 10 of 12 physical traits along with only one other receiver (Gabriel Davis, UCF) so is a great get here. I love almost everything about Claypool’s game and think that he could be a huge addition to the Colts offense. The added bonus is that it could allow for Campbell to absolutely KILL it in the slot creating mismatches and push Pascal back to the WR4 where his skills are probably much more suited to be a part time performance.

4th Round #122 Overall – NT Raekwon Davis, Alabama. #120 on the “big” board; hits 9 of 12 physical traits for DT

A leader on a stacked Alabama defense, has the physical traits and play ability to be a good starter in the NFL. Maturity is a concern but, hopefully, a good Colts locker room can help shape that. Could end up being the long-term NT to play next to DeForest Buckner going forward. He has all the traits for it.

5th Round #160 Overall – WR Antonio Gandy-Golden, Liberty. #162 on the “big” board, hits 9 of 12 physical traits for a WR

[Note: Could also have gone with TE Dalton Keene, Virginia Tech who was #160 on the “big” board but only hit on 7 of 10 TE traits for a lower 70% hit rate rather than the 75% hit rate of Gandy-Golden]

Wow, being able to hit on a player in the 5th round that still aligns to Ballard’s minimum traits 75% of the way is pretty incredible; and at a position of need to boot. He is an excellent lower round prospect who can push everyone above him and really increase the competition in the WR room. Having Claypool, Campbell, Pascal, Fountain and now Gandy-Golden all competing for playing time would make the room much, much stronger.

[b]6th Round #193 – OG Kevin Dotson, Louisiana. #193 on the “big” board; 10 of 12 physical traits for OG]/b]

Okay, this is crazy! Finding a guy at the bottom of the big board that is a position of “need-ish” for offensive line depth and still aligns 83% with Ballard’s minimum physical traits criteria is sort of weird. Dotson was a snub for the NFL combine but was a 4 year starter, named 1st team AP All-American his senior year who has some fundamental issues but a great motor and aggressive mindset. Sounds like a great guy to not ask to start immediately but instead to function as depth for a year or two.

6th Round #197 – LB Jacob Phillips, LSU. #195 on the “big” board; 10 of 10 physical traits for LB

Belay my last. Now we find a kid who aligns 100% with the physical traits Ballard looks for in linebackers at the end of the draft. I don’t know that LB is a big position of need but quality depth is always desired and good special teams play can help. Competing with Speed, Adams and Franklin for depth duties will only make the group grow stronger.

Recap:

2nd round #34 – RB Jonathan Taylor, Wisconsin. 11 of 11 RB physical traits (100% match)
2nd round #44 – OT Ezra Cleveland, Boise State. 12 of 12 OT physical traits (100% match)
3rd Round #75 – WR Chase Claypool, Notre Dame. 10 of 12 WR physical traits (83% match)
4th Round #122 – NT Raekwon Davis, Alabama. 9 of 12 DT physical traits (75% match)
5th Round #160 – WR Antonio Gandy-Golden, Liberty. 9 of 12 WR physical traits (75% match)
6th Round #193 – OG Kevin Dotson, Louisiana. 10 of 12 OG physical traits (83% match)
6th Round #197 – LB Jacob Phillips, LSU. 10 of 10 LB physical traits (100% match)

3x offensive play makers, 2x offensive line, 2x defensive front-7.

Other than finding tight end or safety depth, that draft is music to my ears!

Interesting exercise. What do you think?

Dam8610 04-17-2020 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by smitty46953 (Post 159060)
Did not know much about Chinn. Had heard the name but who watches the Saluki's? So did some digging.

Jeremy Chinn
College: Southern Illinois
Position: Safety
Ht: 6-3 Wt: 212

Jeremy Chinn is an Indianapolis home grown athlete having played his high school ball at Fishers High School. Chinn is a physical specimen. He has a chiseled, muscular frame with incredible explosiveness. Tall, with ideal length. Burst and long speed enable him to take aggressive angles in pursuit attacking the football. Based on raw athletic talent alone, Jeremy Chinn could and I stress “could” be as good as any safety in this class. Chinn had a heck of a Combine with one of the best performances from anyone, regardless of position. However, reportedly he had a terrible week of practice at the Senior Bowl. Could that be the level of competition? Chinn could line up as both safety and linebacker and provide the versatility of a poor mans’ Isaiah Simmons. He has fantastic straight-line speed when pursuing ball carriers and can track down just about any play, regardless of where he starts on the field.

Chinn possesses fantastic upside, but he also carries a lot of risk. The Southern Illinois product is anything but a natural at the position, as he’s constantly late to diagnose plays. Has room to grow in terms of processing and instinct. Chinn is more of a reactive defender at this point and needs coached up. He overcomes his modest instincts with his pure athletic ability. But, will that translate to the NFL where the level of competition will be much greater than he faced at Southern Illinois? He can be a bit late in off man coverage to close down space when he's aligned off the football. Even with his great speed, he’s typically a step late to make a play on the ball. This implies that he’s going to struggle to adjust to NFL competition. Ultimately, Chinn is a high-risk, high-reward type of prospect that can either make or break a draft class. I would love to see the Colts add him to their roster. However, not until the 3rd round with the #75 pick. I like to take the BPA, while addressing needs too. I just don’t see Chinn being the BPA in the 2nd round at #34 or #44 for our Colts.
:cool:

I saw exactly what this describes. An athletically gifted player with a low football IQ. He definitely needs some coaching and lots of film study. If he had the instincts of Isaiah Simmons, he'd probably at the very least be in the first round conversation, if not top 15.

Dam8610 04-17-2020 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Ironshaft (Post 159077)
Stampede Blue released two articles Thursday and Friday that make for an interesting exercise for the draft.

The first one, released Thursday by Zach Hicks, listed his top 200 “big board.” I have no idea who Zach Hicks is but when I read his articles, I agree with them for the most part and he obviously has put in the time to try and study the top xx number of kids heading for the draft. Let’s use that as item number one in our exercise as a realistic look at talent evaluation.

The second article released today by Jake Arthur takes all of the players drafted, signed or retained by Chris Ballard during his time as GM and compares a “minimum” level of physical traits by position group. He then lines up draftee candidates against those minimum criteria and shows who hits them. His minimum number of traits to make his list is half of the category maximum (i.e. if there are 12 traits for a position group, a player must hit 6 of them to be on the list).

Putting those two articles together, I looked at a draft where player value (the “big” board) had to be within 2 spots ahead of our draft position to 10 spots below our draft position (i.e. drafting #34, you can pick players ranked from #32 to #44) along with who had the best minimum trait scores as this would hopefully indicate the type of player Ballard is targeting. I tried drafting mostly for BPA but did acknowledge that I would have to target a couple of spots that I thought the Colts were thin on primarily WR, TE and depth O-Line.

Using that criteria, here the results:

2nd Round, #34 Overall – RB Jonathan Taylor, Wisconsin. #34 on the “big” board; hits 11 of 11 physical traits for RB

Not where I would have gone for team need but Taylor hits this exercise as being at #34 on the “big” board and is the only RB in the draft class to hit on 11 of 11 physical traits of the running backs. He has all the skills to be an elite RB in the NFL and could really take a TON of pressure off Rivers to make aggressive decisions in the passing game. Behind our offensive line, Taylor could be a beast. Pairing him with Mack and Hines with more double RB formations could really create some mismatches as opposing defenses stay in base defense to defend the run and then we flex Hines or Mack out as a slot receiver. BPA in this case really lines up. He is an offensive weapon if not one at the position where we need help most.

2nd Round, #44 Overall – OT Ezra Cleveland, Boise State. #50 on the “big” board; hits 12 of 12 physical traits for OTs

Cleveland is the only OT in the draft class to hit all 12 of the physical traits established by Ballard. He is also a position of “need-ish” in my book because there is no one currently on the roster that could play left OT if something happens to Castonzo. In year one, he can challenge for playing time by either sliding inside to take Glowinski’s spot or show he could hold down right OT and allow Smith to slide inside. A great place where value and need line up, IMO and strengthened and already strong O-line.

3rd Round, #75 Overall – WR Chase Claypool, Notre Dame. #74 on the “big” board; hits 10 of 12 physical traits for WRs

Wow, value is really lining up. Only two receivers hit more physical traits than Claypool (Pittman Jr and Mims). Claypool hits 10 of 12 physical traits along with only one other receiver (Gabriel Davis, UCF) so is a great get here. I love almost everything about Claypool’s game and think that he could be a huge addition to the Colts offense. The added bonus is that it could allow for Campbell to absolutely KILL it in the slot creating mismatches and push Pascal back to the WR4 where his skills are probably much more suited to be a part time performance.

4th Round #122 Overall – NT Raekwon Davis, Alabama. #120 on the “big” board; hits 9 of 12 physical traits for DT

A leader on a stacked Alabama defense, has the physical traits and play ability to be a good starter in the NFL. Maturity is a concern but, hopefully, a good Colts locker room can help shape that. Could end up being the long-term NT to play next to DeForest Buckner going forward. He has all the traits for it.

5th Round #160 Overall – WR Antonio Gandy-Golden, Liberty. #162 on the “big” board, hits 9 of 12 physical traits for a WR

[Note: Could also have gone with TE Dalton Keene, Virginia Tech who was #160 on the “big” board but only hit on 7 of 10 TE traits for a lower 70% hit rate rather than the 75% hit rate of Gandy-Golden]

Wow, being able to hit on a player in the 5th round that still aligns to Ballard’s minimum traits 75% of the way is pretty incredible; and at a position of need to boot. He is an excellent lower round prospect who can push everyone above him and really increase the competition in the WR room. Having Claypool, Campbell, Pascal, Fountain and now Gandy-Golden all competing for playing time would make the room much, much stronger.

[b]6th Round #193 – OG Kevin Dotson, Louisiana. #193 on the “big” board; 10 of 12 physical traits for OG]/b]

Okay, this is crazy! Finding a guy at the bottom of the big board that is a position of “need-ish” for offensive line depth and still aligns 83% with Ballard’s minimum physical traits criteria is sort of weird. Dotson was a snub for the NFL combine but was a 4 year starter, named 1st team AP All-American his senior year who has some fundamental issues but a great motor and aggressive mindset. Sounds like a great guy to not ask to start immediately but instead to function as depth for a year or two.

6th Round #197 – LB Jacob Phillips, LSU. #195 on the “big” board; 10 of 10 physical traits for LB

Belay my last. Now we find a kid who aligns 100% with the physical traits Ballard looks for in linebackers at the end of the draft. I don’t know that LB is a big position of need but quality depth is always desired and good special teams play can help. Competing with Speed, Adams and Franklin for depth duties will only make the group grow stronger.

Recap:

2nd round #34 – RB Jonathan Taylor, Wisconsin. 11 of 11 RB physical traits (100% match)
2nd round #44 – OT Ezra Cleveland, Boise State. 12 of 12 OT physical traits (100% match)
3rd Round #75 – WR Chase Claypool, Notre Dame. 10 of 12 WR physical traits (83% match)
4th Round #122 – NT Raekwon Davis, Alabama. 9 of 12 DT physical traits (75% match)
5th Round #160 – WR Antonio Gandy-Golden, Liberty. 9 of 12 WR physical traits (75% match)
6th Round #193 – OG Kevin Dotson, Louisiana. 10 of 12 OG physical traits (83% match)
6th Round #197 – LB Jacob Phillips, LSU. 10 of 10 LB physical traits (100% match)

3x offensive play makers, 2x offensive line, 2x defensive front-7.

Other than finding tight end or safety depth, that draft is music to my ears!

Interesting exercise. What do you think?

I want to stay as far away from Johnathan Taylor as possible. High mileage RBs rarely work out.


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