So when Steichen wouldn’t let him return to the Steelers game he should have said fuck coach and went out anyway? When Steichen benched him for two games should he have said fuck this and went out anyway? I mean no way would Peyton have taken being benched. The idea that a 22 yr old QB should over rule medical staff and his coach or he’s a pussy is so fucking ridiculous as to be absurd. Do you feel the same way about the shoulder surgery? Should he have disregarded the teams recommendations on having surgery and just played?

It’s funny how AR both sucks so much and at the same time him sitting is the reason the team collapsed against the Giants. I guess I just struggle to understand how he caused the collapse in Jacksonville a couple of years ago. Or the Saturday season. What I see is an inexperienced 22 yr old that’s shown symptoms of the clown show surrounding him. And I don’t know how you could have watched Colts football for the last 8 years and not seen the trends. The team quit because that’s what it does under Ballard. If the team felt it couldn’t beat the Giants with a backup QB then that says a hell of a lot more about the culture Ballard has built than it does about AR.

Remind me how that all worked out for the franchise…

How long can you use his age as an excuse? It’s his 2nd year in the NFL regardless he chose to enter the draft early.

Have the Colts handled this the right way fuck no, I thought they had a plan in place for drafting a young project QB. Obviously they had no idea how to handle him. Obviously their vision was way off about an offense with him and Taylor.

I see potential in the dude but goddam you’ve gotta be out there that’s priority number 1. I’m not ready to give up on the guy but if he can’t figure out how to be a running QB and stay on the field then it will not matter anyway because he will not be around much longer

And no I had no problem with him getting the surgery, but as a competitor he should be fighting, screaming, breaking shit, or whatever it takes to get in that fuckin field. That’s who I want as my leader

The point is, not whether or not it worked. It's that QB's who are leaders, will put their ass on the line, as much or more than anybody on the team.

That sets the standard.

While this may be true, having watched him on the field, I am pretty sure that AR just isn't cut out to be a QB in the NFL.

so you are still assuming that he was healthy enough to play. with absolutely zero knowledge of what he was actually going through

players should absolutely consult the medical team when deciding what to play through

guys used to play through concussions as well. look how that worked out for a lot of players.

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I've often said that the toughest SOB that I ever saw play QB was Ben Roethlisberger. And the 2nd toughest that I ever saw play was Tom Brady.


I just came across something in regard to l Doug Williams. lOn the final game of the 1982 season, the Buccaneers needed a win to beat the Bears to make the playoffs. In the 2nd quarter with the Buccaneers driving deep in Bears territory, Williams was sacked and he fumbled. Steve McMichael picked up the ball at the Bears' 28-yardline, and had clear sailing to the end-Zone (72 yards.) Williams was playing the game with a pulled hamstring, and he had just gotten sacked. He got up off of the ground and almost miraculously caught McMichael at the Buccaneers' 8-yardline, taking the 270-pound defensive tackle to the turf. Instead of a TD, the Bears had to settle for a FG ....... the Buccaneers won the game in overtime, sending them to the playoffs for the 3rd time in 4 years.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDm5qfarV8M



SIDENOTE: l I am a fan of Anthony Richardson, and I don't question his toughness. He often takes on defenders like a battering ram as though he were Earl Campbell or Jim Brown, something that very few quarterbacks in today's game do. I'm only sharing this story about Doug Williams because the subject of a quarterback's toughness has come to light in this thread.

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People often point to the "good old days", when players sometimes played through pain and injuries. A good number of players from those "good old days" wound up with scrambled eggs for brains, and some have committed suicide. I don't think that anybody would ever question the toughness of Junior Seau, Mike Webster, Dave Duerson, or Andre Waters ...... but all of those players are now in a pine box, 6 feet under the ground, all of them died far too young. Sometimes we forget that these football players (both past and present) are human.

If Jim Otto had a bone of his finger literally sticking through his skin and wrapped a towel around his hand and continued playing, good for him ...... I personally don't hold players (past or present) to such insanely high standards.

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AR says he has a disc issue per the doctors. was crawling around his house last Tuesday. couldn't walk


anyone thinking he is just being a bitch is a moron that has never had back issues before

Incredible. Is there as SINGLE person in this entire organization that is good at public relations? Anyone, one, even an intern, someone on the property maintenance crew?

If this is true, and not some back room crafted fucking bullshit CYA story (probably drawn up by Ballard who seems like the type of guy that would lie to his mom about the money he stole out of her purse to buy steroids...), IF this is true, then man we need to get the fuck away from Steichen as fast as we possibly can. He is so bad at communicating that he is repeatedly putting his young and clearly confident deficient QB, in the cross hairs of the fanbase and the media.

Me, I think it's all bullshit and is some form of further Steichen trying to drive a point home with AR so they just keep fumbling the ball re: the story behind it. If so, well then we really have a big problem at QB and maturity that will probably never rectify itself.

And for the good of the record, the 6-5" 250 QB that is most effective when just demolishing the defenders in front of him with brutal physicality- yeah that dude having a disc problem, not the greatest prognosis for the future...

Andrew luck was capable of driving a mediocre team into the playoffs. At this stage of his career, Anthony Richardson isn’t capable of taking a good team there. That’s not to say that maybe someday in the future he won’t be, but right now he doesn’t throw with the kind of anticipation we saw from Joe Flacco.

I don’t know if Chris Ballard’s head is on the chopping block this year; but I know that if Anthony Richardson doesn’t show real growth over the next 370 days, it might be.

Yeah, I always knew he would have played had he been able to. He wants to play and he wants to win.

I think his issues are in preparing to be successful at that level. He needs to learn that he has to put in the work.

For the record, I’ve always thought the tap out debacle was way overblown. It seemed like it got blown way out of proportion. I think it was a very young player who just wasnt thinking.

I think Steichen and AR do not get along and that one of them won’t be back next year. Steichen seems all to eager to throw AR under the bus.

This is a fuckin disaster

Where do we go from here

A back issue he’s saying doesn’t need surgery and he’s just gonna have to deal with

I need a fuckin drink

discs pop out and go back in. causing temporary issues. happened to me and I could barely move for 3 days. couldn't stand up straight for almost 2 days. was much better in a week.


doesn't always require surgery and disc may not be an issue in the near future

I don't get why people, who are not doctors, freak out and jump to conclusions about players.

Your not a fuckin football player

Your not quarterbacking my team

Your not a fuckin doctor either

Lastly you don’t know shit about me

I’ve had back problems as well and missed zero days of work, hobbling around in discomfort not being able to sleep all that shit unfortunately for me I didn’t get drafted #4 overall and get millions of dollars so I had to work

So I saw the AR interview on X where he mentions the disc issue. He goes on to say that this has been a problem for him since 8th grade! If this is true and Ballard recruited him knowing this, this is gross incompetence. If Ballard didn’t know this, this is gross incompetence. Ballard needs to go.

Holy shit! I just read about it. Chronic fucking back issues.

Yep, this is just another bombshell in the litany of bombshells illuminating just how fucking bad at football Ballard is!

FUCKING FIRE THIS DUMB FUCK!

Maybe because we haven't been fed anything close to the truth, by the Colts brass concerning player injuries in 15 years?

They always tell us it's one thing, when it's entirely another. Is it the Colts medical staff, is it the GM, is it the PR people? I don't know, but this shit has to stop.

truth!

The constant is Irsay.

This is something that I've been dancing/insinuating around but, you sir are correct. The reason that I believe that you're on the right track though is his total botching of the Jonathan Taylor situation last season.

Irsay can't fire himself, but can't the Irsay daughters all take control of the team, since they are listed as co owners?

What's up with posting once a year or so?

Lol. Guilty. Life gets in the way. I’m always lurking in the background though…….got eyes on you all. 👀 👀

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You talk too much ...... I wish that you would shut the fuck up already.

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I couldn't have said it better myself !! This problem should have come out at the combine, why didn't it ??? The guy got drafted #4 in the draft, knowing that he had back problems, what's that say about his character, he scammed the entire NFL, and its medical staff !!!! LOL LOL LOL!!!!!!!!