The jump in quality from this year to next is not as dramatic as last year to this year. But it should be a good and deep class with the top candidates at the very least equal to this year's candidates. That said, waiting for another year rarely works out how the team wants it to. If you have an opportunity you should probably take it.

There is a lot of dis-info going on right now. Reminds me of the Herbert/Tua draft. I don't really believe any of it. A couple more weeks we will see.

I would love it if some one slipped Peyton truth serum, and he lead with, “that dumb mofo couldnt spell cat if you spotted hi a C and an A”

Yes …. But he’s inexperienced at calling plays like that and radio goes off at 15 seconds on the play clock so he isn’t gonna have the luxury of letting the defense setup and then looking to Steichen to see what to do

Reich never called plays before he got to Indy. Steichen has.

Now apparently the Panthers are settled on Young, the Texans can't find a trade partner for the #2 pick, and the Colts may have their pick of Stroud, Richardson, and Levis at 4? This is lining up too perfectly for the Colts. How is it going to get screwed up?

Local guys down here mostly seem to think HOU doesn't want Stroud. Enough that I think I buy that. I've heard a few guys float the idea that they're willing to trade, but I hadn't heard that nobody wants it.

It's all just more questions. Stroud is getting absolutely raked lately between the bad testing, flaking out, and the red flags about system/coachability. If HOU doesn't think he's worth #2 and nobody is willing to trade up to get him, who says the Colts would want him at #4?

I'm at the point that I'm not even sure we take a QB.

Ballard is doing his job well, then.

Who knows, maybe all the dirt is coming from the Colts? It's what I would do, since I want him as the Colts QB.

We gotta take a QB….

I’d be surprised if Stroud makes it to 4…

Even more surprised when they still take Richardson over him

The Colts hire you as GM…………….

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I'll take the job of GM of the Jaguars ...... my first order of business will be to trade Trevor Lawrence to the Colts for Sam Ehlinger.

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"What makes you think the Colts would trade their backup QB for that god awful bust?" - Dam.

While I agree that would work out well for us, that's far from a nightmare for the Texans as they'd get probably the best player in the draft at a premium position and one of the top 4 rated QBs with a very high ceiling.

thats not happening

by the colts taking stroud

I heard on Nashville sports talk radio that there are three huge red flags with stroud.
1. Possibly uncoachable. On the sidelines, he looks bored.
2. S2 scores were low.
3. Supposedly committed to attend Manning Passing Academy, and then blew them off.

FWIW

Stroud was my top choice early but if the S2 score part is true, I’m on the AR bandwagon. Will be good with Levis as well.

The Manning camp deal seems overblown from other info I’ve seen.

Because of all the draft capital you could get trading him off to someone else who would vastly overpay for him.

Whichever QB the Colts decide to pick (or maybe not a QB?) they've done far more due diligence than us, so it's worth giving them a season or two on the field before deciding whether the pick they make is bad.

1) Doesn't match tape or interviews
2) Doesn't match tape and no one has actually put a number on his score to my knowledge
3) Who cares what he did as an immature high schooler?

Do you ever even consider that you might be wrong? About anything?

Dude scored an 18

Lol as if anyone here does that. This is a football message board, expressing opinions generates discussion. It would be really boring if everyone agreed all the time.

Is "dude" CJ Stroud? Because if that's the case I'd like to see some evidence of it, even on the level we have evidence of the other scores. Even then, that sounds a lot like Shaquille Leonard running a 4.7 40, it just doesn't match the tape. Someone that processes information that poorly would not have been able to make the anticipation throws he made in every game. If you can't process information well, you won't be able to find open throwing windows before they come open.

According to S2, the 30-to-45 minute exercise is conducted on what The Athletic’s Matt Barrows in February described as a “specially designed gaming laptop and response pad that can record reactions in two milliseconds.” It measures how players process and make split-second decisions. “Anticipating, reading, reacting and adapting to the game are measurable skills,” the website offers.

Per the report, multiple sources around the league shared those scores for the two quarterbacks.

Furthermore, the article quotes one executive as saying Stroud's score raised a red flag about the quarterback.

“Stroud scored 18,” an executive said. “That is like red alert, red alert, you can’t take a guy like that. That is why I have Stroud as a bust. That in conjunction with the fact, name one Ohio State quarterback that’s ever done it in the league.”

As for the other top quarterbacks in this draft class, McGinn shared this.

Some other total scores in the class of quarterbacks this year were 96% for Fresno State’s Jake Haener, 93% for Kentucky’s Will Levis and Brigham Young’s Jaren Hall, 84% for Houston’s Clayton Tune, 79% for Florida’s Anthony Richardson and 46% for Tennessee’s Hendon Hooker.

While it is merely speculation at this moment as to a potential slide coming to Stroud, this could be the reason for the recent rumors that the Houston Texans are willing to trade out of the No.2 pick for any team wanting to make a deal.

https://www.si.com/nfl/titans/draft/...potential-fall


:cool: Little bit concerning ? :cool:

Supposedly 80 and above is considered good. An 18 would take Stroud off my board in first two rounds. Hooker’s score is pretty disappointing as well. Article I read had a team exec quoted as saying a high score doesn’t guarantee success, but they’ve never seen someone with a low one succeed. It’s lying season, but considering what it’s intended to measure I can believe that statement. Levis or Richardson for me.

Cause for concern? Sure. But tape is more important than anything else. If his tape looked like Trevor Lawrence's where he was missing gaping holes in zone coverage because he couldn't tell when his receiver was going to be in that hole, I'd say avoid drafting him. Instead, Stroud's tape is littered with things like his beautifully placed and timed seam ball to the RB against Cover 2 vs. Georgia where Stroud hit his RB in stride for an easy 37 yard TD. That isn't something a player with below average processing ability could do.

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I've done it, often.

I was wrong when I said that Case Keenum would have a longer and more prosperous career than Andrew Luck would.

I was wrong when I said that I believed that Carson Wentz would be a good, long-term solution at quarterback for the Colts.

I was wrong when I said that Jim Caldwell was an average head coach prior to the 2010 season ...... after seeing him defend himself in regard to his horrible time-out calls for the second time in one season (including a playoff game), I came to the conclusion that he was indeed a bad head coach.

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That would be my expectation, similar to throwing against air. Looking good doesn't mean you'll look good in a game... but looking bad on air probably means you'll look bad in a game.

This entire offseason is new for me regarding QB's. Between having Manning/Luck for 21 seasons and then choosing vets the past several years... I've never felt the urge to study draft QB's like this.

So I don't know much about the S2 other than it tests processing and that it replaced the Wonderlic which tested recall. I'm curious to dig around and see how these scores have translated in the past.

But first reaction is... 18? Out of 100? Some of these guys got mid-90's and you got an 18? What is that about? OSU system?

It tells me he looks great when he has all day to process. That isn't going to happen in the NFL. He has to make quick decisions. If this is true, pass on him.

Congratulations, that would make you the only one. Not sure I agree with your take on Caldwell, think you had it right the first time, average-above average head coach. Look at his record and how the Lions fell off after firing him.

You have an odd definition of "all day". You should really watch the tape.

You keep ripping on Lawrence, but there is not one NFL team who would take Stroud or your boy Mac Jones over him. There is not one QB in this draft anyone would take over Lawrence.

You keep defending Jones because he didn't have good coaching this past year, same could be said for Lawrence in his rookie year. Lawrence finally got a good HC and flourished in his 2nd year.

Time to bite the bullet dam.

He will never admit anything. I have a better chance of hitting the Powerball 3 weeks in a row.

What's with the reasonable comment? Did you go back on your meds for a day?

Luck went in Lawrence's favor considerably last year, and yes, Pederson did well to create a lot of half field reads and easy concepts for Lawrence to execute. He still hasn't shown he can throw with anticipation or make a full field read, and he's been stuck at the same development since his freshman year in college. As I've said many times, the athleticism and arm strength will mask his deficiencies at times, but a smart talented defense will force him to stay in the pocket and make good reads and throws to beat them, and when they do that, he breaks down and his team loses.

I know who I'll be rooting for to succeed if Stroud is a Colt and Lawrence remains a Jaguar. Seems you and others here want Lawrence to succeed because of me, would you also want Stroud to fail if the Colts draft him?

Maybe he was hungover or stoned when he took the it? Living in B1G country I've seen my fair share of OSU games over the past 2 years, and based on what I've seen I would have thought he would have at least done halfway decent on the test.

No, I'm not that guy. If the Colts get Stroud, I will be rooting for Stroud to succeed at a high level and beat Lawrence's ass. It's not about that. It's about admitting the truth and accepting the fact, nothing more.

We all root for laundry, do we not? If they choose Levis, Richardson, or whoever, I want them to succeed. Obviously I'd prefer Stroud, IMO he's the best of the bunch. But above all I want the Colts to win.

Maybe he has test anxiety? Who knows, but that score does not match the tape, and in fact is the opposite of the tape.

I admit the truth and accept the fact that Lawrence can not throw with anticipation or make a full field read. May he never learn those skills.

Another reasonable response. Looks like you finally took your pills today.

Edit: Never mind. Just saw your last 2 posts which popped up when I was typing this response.

Lots of disinformation going on it seems. Particularly around Stroud. New S2 leak says he got an 18 on the test.

https://twitter.com/shanephallam/sta...L8ardaxv32vrGQ

Don’t know if I buy this though. Doesn’t seem to match the other scores. Also the creator of the S2 test went on the Pff podcast and said all the numbers being leaked are wrong.

I know you're speculating/joking, but any explanation like that is obviously a bigger red flag that the shitty score itself. Of course I never heard about any character issues with the kid until this past week.

I tried to look up past and didn't find much, just some anecdotes. Even with those, what do we make of it? Like I read that Joe Burrow scored really high so this must have some merit to it, right? Then I read that Justin Fields scored as high as Burrow did and I think, "Oh, so this test doesn't mean shit."