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Discflinger 03-22-2022 07:35 AM

We have around 12 mil to deal with. I think he will break it up three times however it breaks best.

Discflinger 03-22-2022 08:07 AM

However, putting 12 on Brown would be amazing.

njcoltfan 03-22-2022 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Brylok (Post 227091)
Alright, I'll eat some crow. I bitched and complained over the weekend and now we have probably the best realistic option and fit for the team. Ballard being able to get rid of Wentz and wind up with Ryan for cheap is pretty amazing. I'll take my lumps. I've never been a big Ryan fan and I don't pay much attention to the Falcons. I still remember that God awful super bowl loss. Now let's move on and fill some holes and get him some weapons. WRs and a TE and a LT. Should be an interesting season.

Crow is gross by the way...

Me too Bry, Crow tastes best with some Humble Pie, I know !

Puck 03-22-2022 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by dred (Post 227113)
This is pretty fricking incredible when you think about it. Best offseason moves I have seen in a long ass time.

Easily Ballards best off season. The moves he has been able to pull off are quite remarkable.

I am glad he has more patience that most Colt's fans who overreact way way way too early.

Now if he nails this draft. GM of the yr trophy should follow.

Yea he's that good

Oldcolt 03-22-2022 10:34 AM

I found it interesting that Ryan has been sacked more than 40 times each of the last 4 seasons yet has not gotten hurt. Makes me wonder that while we all blame Grigson for shortening Lucks career by not giving him a decent line maybe a whole lot of the blame lies on how Luck played-stupid in my opinion, not sliding and thinking he was superman. He obviously wasn't and it has been a nightmare for us. I apologize for bringing Luck into this, I am just impressed that a QB can be play behind a line like this and not get injured.

JAFF 03-22-2022 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Oldcolt (Post 227139)
I found it interesting that Ryan has been sacked more than 40 times each of the last 4 seasons yet has not gotten hurt. Makes me wonder that while we all blame Grigson for shortening Lucks career by not giving him a decent line maybe a whole lot of the blame lies on how Luck played-stupid in my opinion, not sliding and thinking he was superman. He obviously wasn't and it has been a nightmare for us. I apologize for bringing Luck into this, I am just impressed that a QB can be play behind a line like this and not get injured.

Ryan was criticized for too many check downs. Problem was that was the best the offense could do. No line, no wideouts, it was a mess

Oldcolt 03-22-2022 11:13 AM

I am really looking forward to having a QB that is accurate. Getting the ball into the hands of Hines, Taylor or Pittman with a head full of steam, not having to wait for the ball, is going to be a nightmare for opposing defenses. YAC should go way up compared to Wentz. As for people who think we can't go far into the playoffs with Ryan, fuck that shit. If the defense can play up to it's potential, we will be a force.

rm1369 03-22-2022 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Puck (Post 227133)
Easily Ballards best off season. The moves he has been able to pull off are quite remarkable.

I am glad he has more patience that most Colt's fans who overreact way way way too early.

Now if he nails this draft. GM of the yr trophy should follow.

Yea he's that good

Some reports the Colts are restructuring some of Ryan’s contract to free up additional cap space. If that’s true and they use it to add additional free agents THEN I’d say it’s been a great off season.

I don’t question Ballard’s ability to draft or his ability to “win” transactions. I question his ability / desire to assemble a roster to compete NOW. Irsay’s anger may have given Ballard the push he needed. We’ll see.

Lov2fish 03-22-2022 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Oldcolt (Post 227139)
I found it interesting that Ryan has been sacked more than 40 times each of the last 4 seasons yet has not gotten hurt. Makes me wonder that while we all blame Grigson for shortening Lucks career by not giving him a decent line maybe a whole lot of the blame lies on how Luck played-stupid in my opinion, not sliding and thinking he was superman. He obviously wasn't and it has been a nightmare for us. I apologize for bringing Luck into this, I am just impressed that a QB can be play behind a line like this and not get injured.

I posted this in another thread, but Ryan's healthy life style is legendary. Truly treats his body as a temple. He is in better shape than most of the 30 year old QB's out there. He could easily play five more season should he choose to do so.

ChaosTheory 03-22-2022 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Lov2fish (Post 227149)
I posted this in another thread, but Ryan's healthy life style is legendary. Truly treats his body as a temple. He is in better shape than most of the 30 year old QB's out there. He could easily play five more season should he choose to do so.

For what it's worth... he's only a year or so older than Stafford. Stafford just had a great season and signed a 6-yr deal.

rm1369 03-22-2022 12:00 PM

I like the move for Matt Ryan, but to me that means you shoot your shot (within reason) over the next two seasons to win a SB. That means taking a hit and possibly having a down year 3 years from now. I’m ok with that. Restructuring a couple contracts to clear space to fill some holes with vets now is what should be occurring. LT and WR in particular, and I love the potential addition of Mathieu. What I don’t want to see is a rookie second or third round LT protecting Ryan. Draft a guy if it makes sense but have a viable alternative on the roster. Same with WR. The only current guy you can count on is Pittman. Don’t go into the season expecting a rookie to contribute on Strachan or Pattmon to play major roles. Or Campbell to stay healthy. If they step up great, but you have two years - don’t fucking waste them.

ChaosTheory 03-22-2022 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Oldcolt (Post 227139)
I found it interesting that Ryan has been sacked more than 40 times each of the last 4 seasons yet has not gotten hurt. Makes me wonder that while we all blame Grigson for shortening Lucks career by not giving him a decent line maybe a whole lot of the blame lies on how Luck played-stupid in my opinion, not sliding and thinking he was superman. He obviously wasn't and it has been a nightmare for us. I apologize for bringing Luck into this, I am just impressed that a QB can be play behind a line like this and not get injured.

I haven't watched ATL film or anything so I'm just pulling this out of my ass, but do you remember how Manning used to take a sack? If he saw a guy coming, he collapsed like he took a bullet to the head. I'm curious if Ryan is similar.

That said, 40+ sacks is insane. Your O-line losing and your receivers not creating separation are big factors... but people don't tend to blame QB's enough for a lot of sacks.

Chromeburn 03-22-2022 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by ChaosTheory (Post 227152)
I haven't watched ATL film or anything so I'm just pulling this out of my ass, but do you remember how Manning used to take a sack? If he saw a guy coming, he collapsed like he took a bullet to the head. I'm curious if Ryan is similar.

That said, 40+ sacks is insane. Your O-line losing and your receivers not creating separation are big factors... but people don't tend to blame QB's enough for a lot of sacks.

Some guys know how to fall. What impresses me is his skills haven’t deteriorated with all the pressure like Wentz did. Luck would almost lean into the hit. Self preservation wasn’t in his dna.

Discflinger 03-22-2022 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by rm1369 (Post 227151)
i like the move for matt ryan, but to me that means you shoot your shot (within reason) over the next two seasons to win a sb. That means taking a hit and possibly having a down year 3 years from now. I’m ok with that. Restructuring a couple contracts to clear space to fill some holes with vets now is what should be occurring. Lt and wr in particular, and i love the potential addition of mathieu. What i don’t want to see is a rookie second or third round lt protecting ryan. Draft a guy if it makes sense but have a viable alternative on the roster. Same with wr. The only current guy you can count on is pittman. Don’t go into the season expecting a rookie to contribute on strachan or pattmon to play major roles. Or campbell to stay healthy. If they step up great, but you have two years - don’t fucking waste them.

stfu

AlwaysSunnyinIndy 03-22-2022 12:32 PM

Al Breer of Sports Illustrated had a good write-up about the situation - comments about Matt Ryan from rival GMs, the trade compensation that SF and Cleveland were asking for Jimmy G and Baker, etc. I have excerpted several parts from the article linked below:

https://www.si.com/nfl/2022/03/21/ma...-asking-prices

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You heard over and over last year that the Colts didn’t need, or want, Carson Wentz to be superman—and yet, there they were at the end of the season, still begging him to take the layups that were there for him in Frank Reich’s offense.

Matt Ryan, it’s fair to assume, won’t have that problem. The Falcons traded Ryan to Indy on Monday for the second of their third-round picks (Indianapolis keeps the 73rd pick, which they got from Washington for Wentz), and in the wash the Colts got a quarterback who is, more or less, exactly what they need: a point guard who will maximize the other guys that GM Chris Ballard and coach Frank Reich are going to put on the floor with him.

Last year’s trade for Wentz was a gamble that Reich’s old protégé could harness his ability and propensity to play heroball, and play effectively for Indy. Conversely, there’s very little projection on Ryan. He should be able to get the ball out, and to the Michael Pittmans and Jonathan Taylors and Mo Alie-Coxes that the Colts bring to the table.

That doesn’t mean Ryan is still the guy he was in 2016. The key, though, is that the Colts won’t ask him to be.
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“Really smart, still accurate to the short and intermediate levels,” says an NFC exec who has studied Ryan and gone against him regularly. “You have to protect him, he can’t move at all. His ability to throw the long ball was always about average and it’s in decline now—he can do it better than Drew Brees at the end, but it’s similar to that. … But he can get them in good plays, hand the ball to Taylor, and be efficient and accurate when he throws.

“He’s still good. … [the Falcons] just didn’t have enough around him anymore.”

And the Falcons still looked at him favorably—as a quarterback who could navigate traffic, with the toughness to take hits, play through injury, and throw effectively from different arm angles with chaos around him.

The good news for Ryan is he’ll have more help in Indy, and plenty of motivation to show people, at 38, what he’s got left. And if you’re Ballard and Reich, he’s different than Wentz or Philip Rivers or Jacoby Brissett—with a good shot to be, say, a three-year bridge to whomever the long-term answer at quarterback is. That is especially valuable this year, with Indy being without a first-round pick, and the draft’s quarterback class being so mediocre.
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“Matt Ryan was my first draft pick when I started out in Atlanta,” Dimitroff texted on Monday. “His unique intelligence and leadership ability made him the star of our new era. Matt has experienced exponential growth as a leader on and off the field and demonstrates commitment, competitiveness, durability, toughness and skills for the game unlike any other. I’m excited to see his passion and firepower impact the AFC and wish him the best of luck in Indianapolis.”
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Now, to be sure, the Colts dug themselves this hole with the swing-and-miss—and it was a big miss—on Wentz. But give Ballard credit, he got out in front of the quarterback market and moved his embattled starter, and his contract, off the roster, and got a better return than most believed he could. And now? Well, if you add up the picks that went back-and-forth between the Colts, and the Eagles, Commanders and Falcons, here’s how all three net out.


Colts get: 2022 second-round pick (42nd overall), 2022 third-round round pick (73rd overall), 2023 second-/third-round pick.

Colts give: 2021 third-round pick (84th overall), 2022 first-round pick (16th overall), 2022 second-round pick (47th overall), 2022 seventh-round pick (237th overall).

So if we assume Wentz is the Commanders’ starter, then the Colts gave up a 1, a 2, a 3 and a 7 for two 2s and a 3, and the 2s and 3s they got are higher than the ones they gave. And for that swap where three Top 100 picks went out and another three came in, they got that one-year swing with Wentz, and then Ryan to replace him.

Ideally, you don’t make the trade for Wentz in the first place. But from an asset management standpoint, Ballard did pretty well here.
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The Niners’ asking price for Jimmy Garoppolo has been steady for some time (other teams have said for a couple weeks that it’s about two second-round picks), and the Browns came in high over the weekend, with teams hearing they wanted a first-round pick for Baker Mayfield in the aftermath of the Deshaun Watson.

I’m pretty sure Cleveland’s going to have to adjust its price, and San Francisco might have to, too. In the end, you need suitors. Indy is gone now. The Saints are too, based on what they’re giving Jameis Winston, and already have Taysom Hill on the books. And Atlanta seems less-than-likely to want either Garoppolo or Mayfield. Which leaves … who? The Panthers? The Seahawks (hard to envision the Niners dealing their guy in-division)? Yeah, it’s hard to see where a bounty is going to come from at this point.

Spike 03-22-2022 12:45 PM

Looks like nobody wants fucking Baker Mayfield, except maybe Skip Bayless.

rm1369 03-22-2022 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Discflinger (Post 227157)
stfu

I take it you disagree? I apologize for questioning anything about Ballard.

ChaosTheory 03-22-2022 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 227154)
Some guys know how to fall. What impresses me is his skills haven’t deteriorated with all the pressure like Wentz did. Luck would almost lean into the hit. Self preservation wasn’t in his dna.

Luck had like half of the Wentz gene. He didn't just shit his pants under pressure. He would navigate the pocket more similar to Manning. But he did go linebacker-mode a lot which is a big reason he got fucked up. From the little I've watched, Ryan definitely is a faller not a fighter.

ChaosTheory 03-22-2022 01:22 PM

By the way, if anybody is interested, here's a segment by Kurt Warner on Ryan vs. the Bucs. He throws in a few good plays, but it's mostly analysis of some poor plays.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2g5bnuh9u0

Some of these, you can see how bad the O-line is. And some, he might hit a RB for a smaller gain whereas he could've hit the seam for a big gain if he read the safety and looked to the other side. Stuff like that.

Stark difference from the errors Warner pointed out in the Wentz vs. JAX video. I think so, at least.

rm1369 03-22-2022 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by ChaosTheory (Post 227164)
Luck had like half of the Wentz gene. He didn't just shit his pants under pressure. He would navigate the pocket more similar to Manning. But he did go linebacker-mode a lot which is a big reason he got fucked up. From the little I've watched, Ryan definitely is a faller not a fighter.

It’s exciting in the moment to see a QB with the fighter attitude, but I’ll take a “faller” at QB. The Luck lacerated kidney against Denver was one of those plays. Was awesome until you realize the cost.

dwilli57 03-22-2022 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by rm1369 (Post 227147)
Some reports the Colts are restructuring some of Ryan’s contract to free up additional cap space. If that’s true and they use it to add additional free agents THEN I’d say it’s been a great off season.

I don’t question Ballard’s ability to draft or his ability to “win” transactions. I question his ability / desire to assemble a roster to compete NOW. Irsay’s anger may have given Ballard the push he needed. We’ll see.


Looks like he may be part way there:

Update (2:48 PM EST): On ‘The Pat McAfee Show’, Colts general manager Chris Ballard indicated that Ryan’s recent restructuring should free up $11.8M of additional cap space:

Matt Ryan has agreed to add more guaranteed money on his contract and restructure his deal with #Colts, per @JFowlerESPN.

Ryan doing this opens up $11.8 million in cap space to use immediately. pic.twitter.com/bAXtN2Vsjs

— Locked On Colts Podcast (@LockedOnColts) March 22, 2022

Oldcolt 03-22-2022 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by dwilli57 (Post 227184)
Looks like he may be part way there:

Update (2:48 PM EST): On ‘The Pat McAfee Show’, Colts general manager Chris Ballard indicated that Ryan’s recent restructuring should free up $11.8M of additional cap space:

Matt Ryan has agreed to add more guaranteed money on his contract and restructure his deal with #Colts, per @JFowlerESPN.

Ryan doing this opens up $11.8 million in cap space to use immediately. pic.twitter.com/bAXtN2Vsjs

— Locked On Colts Podcast (@LockedOnColts) March 22, 2022

I have a hard time seeing Ballard make this move before this year. He always seemed to want to take the cap hit now. He has modified his stance because it appears to be warranted. Once again Ballard is proving to be more nuanced than a lot of people gave him credit for. Good for us.

rm1369 03-22-2022 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Oldcolt (Post 227190)
I have a hard time seeing Ballard make this move before this year. He always seemed to want to take the cap hit now. He has modified his stance because it appears to be warranted. Once again Ballard is proving to be more nuanced than a lot of people gave him credit for. Good for us.

I wouldn’t underestimate how much Irsay has to do with any potential change in Ballard’s thinking.

JAFF 03-22-2022 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by rm1369 (Post 227192)
I wouldn’t underestimate how much Irsay has to do with any potential change in Ballard’s thinking.

Re do Buckner and Nelsons contracts. They want to keep them,it would make sense.

AlwaysSunnyinIndy 03-22-2022 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Oldcolt (Post 227190)
I have a hard time seeing Ballard make this move before this year. He always seemed to want to take the cap hit now. He has modified his stance because it appears to be warranted. Once again Ballard is proving to be more nuanced than a lot of people gave him credit for. Good for us.

The Colts restructured Wentz's contract after they traded for him last year. In that case, they tweaked the roster bonus to float half of the bonus money to the following league year. It created about 5MM in cap space for last season.

However, I agree that Ballard is not quite as rigid in decision making as some people make him out to be.

https://www.stampedeblue.com/2021/3/...-cap-situation

Chaka 03-22-2022 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by rm1369 (Post 227192)
I wouldn’t underestimate how much Irsay has to do with any potential change in Ballard’s thinking.

Maybe, but I hope that's not the case. NFL owners meddling in team management rarely turns out well. I've always though that Irsay's willingness to leave this sort of stuff to his front office and coaching staff is one of his best traits as an owner.

ChaosTheory 03-22-2022 05:07 PM

Ballard's not changing his thinking. He hasn't done anything thus far that's deviated from previous off-seasons.

JAFF 03-22-2022 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Chaka (Post 227201)
Maybe, but I hope that's not the case. NFL owners meddling in team management rarely turns out well. I've always though that Irsay's willingness to leave this sort of stuff to his front office and coaching staff is one of his best traits as an owner.

I believe, cant prove, that Irsay doesnt meddle with the day to day workings. After the Jacksonville disaster, he got directly involved, as his right, as the owner. He wanted something done, gave Ballard and his crew the marching orders, and here we are.

Ballard will have a job in Indy as long as he produces results. Same with Reich. If he cant make the offense work with Ryan he will be gone

rm1369 03-22-2022 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Chaka (Post 227201)
Maybe, but I hope that's not the case. NFL owners meddling in team management rarely turns out well. I've always though that Irsay's willingness to leave this sort of stuff to his front office and coaching staff is one of his best traits as an owner.

I agree to a point. I don’t want an owner involved in individual personnel decisions, but I do want an owner that sets a level of expectations for the franchise. I quit following the Pacers because it became obvious their priorities as owners didn’t match mine as a fan. I believe Irsay’s priorities align with mine. I’ll be very happy if his displeasure with last season results in a little more prioritization of now by Ballard.

Chromeburn 03-23-2022 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by ChaosTheory (Post 227164)
Luck had like half of the Wentz gene. He didn't just shit his pants under pressure. He would navigate the pocket more similar to Manning. But he did go linebacker-mode a lot which is a big reason he got fucked up. From the little I've watched, Ryan definitely is a faller not a fighter.

And that’s the mentality you have to have. You need to live for the next play. If you are hurt it doesn’t help anyone. Playoffs are the time to kick it up a notch. But 3rd and 12 in the 2nd quarter in week six isn’t the down you risk your health on.

Chromeburn 03-23-2022 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by rm1369 (Post 227208)
I agree to a point. I don’t want an owner involved in individual personnel decisions, but I do want an owner that sets a level of expectations for the franchise. I quit following the Pacers because it became obvious their priorities as owners didn’t match mine as a fan. I believe Irsay’s priorities align with mine. I’ll be very happy if his displeasure with last season results in a little more prioritization of now by Ballard.

Irsay is a lot more experienced and knowledgeable than a lot of owners. He grew up with this team, he was the GM for awhile. I would say he knows more about football than 90% of owners. Some of these guys think of the team as a write off or trinket status symbol. It tells you the difference between Snyder and Irsay. He’s been around Unitas, Berry, Manning, Luck, Harbaugh to name a few. So if he sees a QB and is convinced he doesn’t have what it takes. I will value his opinion over a majority of people. Including dudes like Cowherd who are 1000 miles away from the situation.

Hoopsdoc 03-23-2022 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 227319)
Irsay is a lot more experienced and knowledgeable than a lot of owners. He grew up with this team, he was the GM for awhile. I would say he knows more about football than 90% of owners. Some of these guys think of the team as a write off or trinket status symbol. It tells you the difference between Snyder and Irsay. He’s been around Unitas, Berry, Manning, Luck, Harbaugh to name a few. So if he sees a QB and is convinced he doesn’t have what it takes. I will value his opinion over a majority of people. Including dudes like Cowherd who are 1000 miles away from the situation.

That’s an excellent point. People love to make fun of Jim but he’s not an idiot. He’s a smart dude and he knows football.

Oldcolt 03-23-2022 05:57 PM

I happened to live through irsays GM time. He was shit. If he knew about team development he would have stayed as GM. He’s not as bad as Snyder but who the hell is. I give irsay a ton of credit that he knew he was shitty at the job and letting others do it. I also believe he had a big hand in Wentz leaving which goes a long way to undermine my whole argument Good owner. Shitty GM

YDFL Commish 03-23-2022 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Oldcolt (Post 227330)
I happened to live through irsays GM time. He was shit. If he knew about team development he would have stayed as GM. He’s not as bad as Snyder but who the hell is. I give irsay a ton of credit that he knew he was shitty at the job and letting others do it. I also believe he had a big hand in Wentz leaving which goes a long way to undermine my whole argument Good owner. Shitty GM

Don't forget that he was working for his drunk dad. Jim had no power, just like Accorsi had no power.

I'm not arguing that Jim was even a good GM, just that he has learned more from his failures and more so from Tobin, Polian and Dungy than any other owner could ever experience.

JAFF 03-23-2022 09:15 PM

What I think, but cannot prove.

1. Jim Irsay loves football.
2. Jim Irsay loves football players.

From the smartest to the dumbest, they all have something in common. They are dumb enough to risk their health in an accelerated form of a kids game. Even Manning called himself a meat head. Jim loves those guys and how they play for each other and an owner who cares.

I also believe that Jim Irsay wants the ticket holders to get their monies worth. He has never hesitated to spend money on the team or the city or the state. Why are the state football finals played at LOS? Jim pays for it, in exchange that every state playoff tickets have the horse shoe on it. Genius advertising, in a rural state where people remember who supported their local HS team.

I believe Jim Irsay expects his players to put forth the same effort he and the entire organizational staff put into the team. Which is why he was pissed about Wentz. He was making the same dumb plays in the last two games as the first five games.

The only comparable owner would be the Roonys. Colts fans are lucky to have him

AlwaysSunnyinIndy 04-19-2022 09:37 AM

The below article is a few weeks old, but I don't think anyone posted it.

It gives some behind-the-scenes details on the Matt Ryan trade.

https://www.si.com/nfl/2022/03/28/mm...-falcons-colts

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PALM BEACH, Fla. — It was summer in South Florida, Matt Ryan was still the Falcons’ quarterback, and after the team’s joint practice with Miami, Dolphins general manager Chris Grier went to his new Atlanta counterpart, Terry Fontenot, to give the first-year GM the proverbial pat on the back.

You guys are going to be better than people think.

Grier was right. The Falcons found a way to win seven games, and if you looked hard enough at how the season went, you might’ve come out of it convinced that Atlanta was indeed closer than people had thought six months after that conversation. They even beat that Dolphins team, one that sure looked like the more talented group in August, two months after Grier offered Fontenot that small piece of encouragement.

Fontenot wasn’t fooled, though. He knew a reckoning was coming. And the truth in the Ryan trade . . . is that a year in as Falcons GM and coach, he and Arthur Smith simply went through with a conscious decision—the time for that reckoning was now.

That didn’t make trading away a 14-year veteran and face of the franchise—one who helped dig the Falcons out of a deep ditch back in 2008—any easier. But where it might’ve appeared that Atlanta’s failed run at Deshaun Watson forced the team’s hand on Ryan, the facts were that the calls that Fontenot and Smith made, the former to Colts GM Chris Ballard and the latter to Ryan himself, were 14 months in the making.

But now that it’s done, the Falcons’ rebuild is really underway.
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There’s one number that best illustrates the problem that Smith and Fontenot faced when they started working in Atlanta two Januarys ago—$105 million. That was the combined cap charge for franchise cornerstones Ryan, Julio Jones, Jake Matthews and Grady Jarrett for the 2021 league year before any decisions were made.

That was also 58% of the NFL’s 2021 cap number.

After years of restructures, mortgaging charges against the limit into the future, something was going to have to give. And it did. Smith and Fontenot decided that, at least for a year, they were going to work to field a competitive team with the Atlanta’s longtime leaders in place to try to establish the kind of foundation they’d need to lean on when the time did come to rip the Band-Aid off.

So they restructured Ryan and Matthews. They traded Jones. They decided to swallow hard and keep Jarrett’s number where it was. In doing so, they went young in a lot of areas, cheap in others and lacked depth across the roster. It was enough to give Smith and his staff a chance to coach the team into playoff contention until the new year before the wheels came off at the end of the season.

And yes, the Falcons could’ve restructured Ryan again, kicking the can down the road another time. But in the end, what would that have accomplished?

Over the last few weeks, what crystallized for everyone involved was how the team and player, in this case, were in much different places—the Falcons needing to turn the page, clean up their cap and get younger and deeper, and Ryan, at 37, being at a win-now age for a team that simply couldn’t operate that way.

Which meant that as the team started negotiating extensions for Matthews (that one’s done) and Jarrett, it was time to do with Ryan what it did with Jones last year and consider all options on perhaps the greatest player in franchise history.
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The process started at the combine when the Falcons met with other teams, and Fontenot and Smith wanted to get a gauge on Ryan’s market value—while being careful about how his name came up in those conversations. The plan was to be communicative and above board with Ryan throughout, so Atlanta couldn’t create the appearance it was shopping Ryan because at that point the Falcons weren’t.

But the small circle involved had a way of getting the information it needed. When Ryan’s name came up, the answer would be, We’re not shopping anyone, but we’ll listen on everyone. And then, Well, if you’re looking at what the Lions and Rams did, then we can talk. That’d elicit a laugh because the Matthew Stafford price would certainly be too high. But then the Falcons would follow back up with, O.K., then what’s the value?

Based on Ryan’s age and price tag, it became clear that getting more than a fourth-round pick was going to be difficult.
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Over the course of last season, the Falcons had heard Watson would have an interest in playing in Atlanta, which is an hour away from his hometown of Gainesville, Ga., and wouldn’t be afraid of being part of a rebuild if it meant getting to play in front of his friends and family. The Falcons knew that wasn’t going to be possible last summer or before the trade deadline—but going into 2022, it’d be feasible.

So they launched an investigation into Watson’s background, and when the grand jury in Harris County, Texas, returned no charges on nine cases filed against the quarterback, they decided to throw their hat in the ring.

But first, they wanted to go to Ryan. Smith told him it was a unique opportunity to get 11 years younger at the position and promised to keep him apprised throughout—and involve him in a trade if it came to that. From there, Ryan agreed to push back the “earned” date of his roster bonus to grease the skids on a trade, if the Falcons were to land Watson. The $7.5 million roster bonus had been due on March 18. It was moved to March 21.
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At that point, Colts assistant GM Ed Dodds and Falcons vice president of player personnel Kyle Smith had started preliminary conversations on a trade, and Arthur Smith and Frank Reich had spoken, too. And around the time that Fontenot, Arthur Smith, Falcons owner Arthur Blank and president Rich McKay met with Watson over Zoom on March 16, Fontenot called Ballard for the first time, knowing that groundwork had been laid by Dodds and Kyle Smith.

“Is there really interest?” Fontenot asked.

“There is,” Ballard responded.

Ballard and Fontenot resolved to keep talking as the situation with Watson drove toward a conclusion.

On March 18, Watson stunned the NFL by reversing course and choosing the Browns, a team he’d eliminated already, with the Falcons and Saints having been the presumed finalists at daybreak. And where some assumed that the Falcons would then try to patch things up with Ryan, Smith called his quarterback and told him that the Colts had called about him and asked if he was interested in going there.

“I’d love to look into it,” Ryan said.

Ryan’s agent, Todd France, affirmed to Fontenot that the quarterback wanted a meeting.

So on that Saturday morning, Fontenot called Ballard and gave him permission to call Ryan over Zoom—with an email communicating that the Colts would have a four-hour window, from 4 to 8 p.m. ET, to talk to him. Ballard got Reich, offensive coordinator Marcus Brady and assistant quarterback coach Parks Frazier rounded up to make the call with him.

Over a long talk, Ryan’s passion to keep playing, and start winning again, resonated with the Colts’ group.
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On Sunday morning, Ballard reached out to Fontenot and told him he’d call him around 3 p.m. When he did, Ballard’s message was simple: Yes, we want Matt, but we can’t do more than a fourth-round pick for him.

Ballard had, more or less, nailed the market price that those talks at the combine established for the Falcons, and made the argument that it was tough to find a comp for a player like Ryan in a trade. Fontenot threw out names that were a little younger, like Alex Smith’s. And eventually, the cajoling got the Colts to move their offer up to the lower of their third-round picks, 82nd overall (the Colts acquired the 73rd pick in the Carson Wentz trade).

For the Colts, Ryan represented the type of opportunity that Ballard hoped would arise if the team was just patient in filling the hole, which wasn’t an easy position to take, given that they simultaneously thought being aggressive in moving Wentz would get them ahead of the market and, thus, a better return.

On Monday, Arthur Smith had a speaking engagement at his alma mater in Chapel Hill, N.C., in conjunction with a book tour Blank was on and was meeting with UNC prospects to try to get the most out of the trip. Fontenot was at Kenny Pickett’s pro day at Pitt. Ballard was in Indianapolis, huddled in draft meetings with his scouts.
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Ballard called Fontenot from his office with just a few hours left until the roster bonus would be earned at 4 p.m. ET to push the deal over the goal line—Pick 82 for Ryan. Fontenot was on the field after the workout was over, waiting for the team’s private meeting with Pickett.

Arthur Smith called Ryan and told him. Fontenot called Ryan while that call was still going on, and Ryan called Fontenot back after he was done with the Atlanta head coach. And that was that.

Fontenot was then called upstairs and went to watch tape with Pickett.

Normally, these things can get messy. But the Falcons resolved this one wouldn’t, and the Colts made sure they wouldn’t be the reason it did, either.

So the upshot for the Falcons?

The page is officially turned. They’ve maintained a veteran presence by bringing back Matthews, working on an extension with Jarrett and signing economical pros like Casey Hayward. They’ll be young this year. They have the eighth pick in the draft, an extra two from the Jones trade and an extra three from this trade. They project, as it stands now, to be top three in the league in cap space in 2023.

Meanwhile, the Colts have their quarterback. And Ryan has a new home.

He never said to the Falcons specifically that he wanted to go to the Colts. But it was clear from the minute Indianapolis was raised as a possibility that he’d be good with it. Ryan knew it was time.

By then, everyone did.

HoosierinFL 04-19-2022 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by JAFF (Post 227349)

I believe Jim Irsay expects his players to put forth the same effort he and the entire organizational staff put into the team. Which is why he was pissed about Wentz. He was making the same dumb plays in the last two games as the first five games.

I like this especially. I think that it may have been clear that Wentz didn't have buy in as a "colts guy". Maybe it was a mercenary mentality, maybe its just that he's withdrawn, or different or whatever, but he never adopted the Colts identity that Irsay (and Ballard) want.

njcoltfan 04-20-2022 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by HoosierinFL (Post 229033)
I like this especially. I think that it may have been clear that Wentz didn't have buy in as a "colts guy". Maybe it was a mercenary mentality, maybe its just that he's withdrawn, or different or whatever, but he never adopted the Colts identity that Irsay (and Ballard) want.

I think, he thought he didn't have to because he had the backing of the head coach !!

Oldcolt 04-25-2022 10:16 AM

Really great article by Joel Erikson in the Star today (behind firewall). Discussion about Manning and Ryan. First thing that really stood out to me was this:

"The day after the Colts’ 2021 season ended in collapse, Manning sat next to Jim Irsay for the better part of an hour at the College Football Playoff National Championship Game between Georgia and Alabama, having a healthy conversation with the frustrated Indianapolis owner about the state of his franchise.

The legendary quarterback has also had several conversations about leadership with Colts star Quenton Nelson this offseason, conversations that touched on the team’s needs in the locker room."

I kind of verifies what a lot of Freaks have been saying. Irsay and Nelson didn't like Wentz for this organization. The rest of the article spent a ton of time talking about preparation and that being what Ryan brings to the table, just like Manning did. Manning said Ryan will be the first in the building and the last to leave. Music to my ears. THAT is how you lead. Asked what the best piece of advice Manning gave him he answered in a somewhat surprising manner:


"Manning’s biggest piece of advice was something that might not seem like a big deal, at least at first.

“Using my snap count,” Manning said. “That’s a little thing, my cadence, but this is my cadence, that I’ve used my entire life. Can we just use this?”

Reich, a former quarterback himself, understood immediately.

Done deal. Ryan can use his own cadence."


I am getting pumped to see what Ryan/Reich can put together on offense this year. I think at this point, with the additions on defense we have already made to go along with Ryan, we have the making of a damn good all around football team. I look at the NBA this year. With all the emphasis on great offensive players it is the defensive teams that have the look of champions right now. That will be us in January. We are going to be a happy group of Freaks.

I don't know how to work this board well so my quotes form suck. Sorry

Ironshaft 04-26-2022 09:30 AM

I agree completely.

While our final roster is not done, I think this is one of the strongest teams we are going to field in a LONG time. The addition of a couple of rookies making contributions and a couple of vets signed to summer, low contracts will fill out the 53.

My one worry is offensive line. We have zero quality depth at this time and two new starters. Ballard needs to find some more help on the O-line to make me feel warm and fuzzy.

I am not worried about pass catching options as I believe that Ryan will make everyone look better. Good golly, if Brandon Stokley was a 68 catch, 1,000 yard receiver under Manning and he was not a great receiver, Ryan will make our guys look good.


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