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apballin 04-23-2023 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by ChaosTheory (Post 264169)
How narrow is our definition of "pocket passer"? If Joe Burrow doesn't fit, then it's not the definition I'm using.

Also, just because a guy can get a first down with his legs if things open up doesn't mean he's now a "running QB." Luck was a pocket passer.

However you wanna put it, all I’m saying is the QB has to be able to get yards running so yea if that’s the case every QB in the league is now a “running QB”

The days of a guy sitting in the pocket and falling down to take a sack are long gone. Colts unfortunately waited a few years too late to find this out

ukcolt 04-24-2023 03:57 AM

Mahomes - Pocket passer, who can really scramble and extend plays
Hurts - true running threat
Burow - Pocket passer with some scrambling ability
Allen - true running threat
Herbert - A pocket passer with some ability to move around
Lawrence - The very definition of a pocket passer
Tagovailoa - A guy who stays mostly in the pocket, but can move around
Goff - The very definition of a pocket passer
Smith - true running threat
Prescott - Pocket passer with some scrambling ability
Brady - The very definition of a pocket passer
Jackson - true running threat
Fields - true running threat
Rodgers - A pocket passer with some ability to move around
Purdy - Haven't seen enough of him to form an opinion
Murray - true running threat
Cousins - The very definition of a pocket passer
Daniel Jones - true running threat
Tannehill - true running threat
Pickett - The very definition of a pocket passer
Carr - The very definition of a pocket passer
Dalton - The very definition of a pocket passer
Stafford - The very definition of a pocket passer
Darnold - Pocket passer with some ability to move around
Mariota - true running threat
Mac Jones - The very definition of a pocket passer
Russell Wilson - true running threat
Watson - A pocket passer first, who is also a true running threat
Heinicke - Haven't seen enough of him to form an opinion
Ryan - The very definition of a pocket passer
Mills - The very definition of a pocket passer
Zach Wilson - Pocket passer with some ability to move around

There are a lot of guys who are current starting QB's who predominantly play from within the pocket.

Dam8610 04-24-2023 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by ukcolt (Post 264175)
Lawrence - The very definition of a pocket passer

What? This couldn't be further from the truth. His one saving grace is his athletic ability. Without it, he'd be a colossal bust already.

ukcolt 04-24-2023 08:41 AM

He is not exactly dynamic out of the pocket. Yes he can move around a little, but i am not considering him to be a threat to the defence in the running game that i am having to especially gameplan for.

Dam8610 04-24-2023 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by ukcolt (Post 264184)
He is not exactly dynamic out of the pocket. Yes he can move around a little, but i am not considering him to be a threat to the defence in the running game that i am having to especially gameplan for.

He isn't dynamic in the pocket. His best strength as a passer is buying time for the coverage to break down and throwing wide open passes to an athletic Zay Jones who had 6-7 seconds to lose his man.

apballin 04-24-2023 10:09 AM

Lawrence had 350 yards rushing followed by 250 yards rushing in a season, I’d say he runs.

For a fair comparison to a true “pocket passer” Kirk cousins has avg about 50 rushing yards a year for a total of 900

Lawrence nearly has that beat already

YDFL Commish 04-24-2023 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 264185)
He isn't dynamic in the pocket. His best strength as a passer is buying time for the coverage to break down and throwing wide open passes to an athletic Zay Jones who had 6-7 seconds to lose his man.

So a fair comparison to Lawrence would be Jim Harbaugh, who often exceeded or was averaging around 350 yards rushing in a 16 game season.


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