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Luck4Reich 02-27-2020 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 154845)
True those guys are outliers. But Flacco, Foles played at a championship level and raised their game. Dilfer and Johnson had HOF defenses and were very solid in those years. Giants had Lawrence Taylor, got hot at the right time and was pretty lucky as well. So I don't think any of those guys dispprove what he said.

High level QB play compensates for a lot of flaws. I just don't know who the best QB will be out of this group. Glad I don't have to decide. But I do think Chase Young can be a Von Miller type player. Young is certainly the safe choice.

I was just pointing out where he said you cant win a championship without a great QB. Nothing else lol

I'm glad I dont have to decide either... We will probably look back 10-15 years from now after Fromm or Eason wins 3 SBs and say wtf!

Never know makes it interesting for sure.

AlwaysSunnyinIndy 02-27-2020 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Puck (Post 154806)
Ok . But you would pass up the best defensive player in probably 3 yrs for a QB that may or not be injured?

Not disagreeing with any choice. Young/Tua

Just asking for reasoning


The curse of Mike Doss

Chromeburn 02-27-2020 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Luck4Reich (Post 154867)
I was just pointing out where he said you cant win a championship without a great QB. Nothing else lol

I'm glad I dont have to decide either... We will probably look back 10-15 years from now after Fromm or Eason wins 3 SBs and say wtf!

Never know makes it interesting for sure.

Its a crap shoot, but in a couple years everyone goes "Of course that guy was going to be great! Couldn't you tell?!?" Like some do with Mahomes. Bucky Brooks compared Mahomes to Jay Cutler around this time. lol

Chromeburn 02-27-2020 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by AlwaysSunnyinIndy (Post 154874)

Omaha must love that take

Luck4Reich 02-27-2020 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 154895)
Its a crap shoot, but in a couple years everyone goes "Of course that guy was going to be great! Couldn't you tell?!?" Like some do with Mahomes. Bucky Brooks compared Mahomes to Jay Cutler around this time. lol

You're 100% correct

Dam8610 02-28-2020 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 154895)
Its a crap shoot, but in a couple years everyone goes "Of course that guy was going to be great! Couldn't you tell?!?" Like some do with Mahomes. Bucky Brooks compared Mahomes to Jay Cutler around this time. lol

Cutler was always underrated and was definitely the best QB of the 2006 draft class. When he actually had a semblance of a team put around him, he took it to a conference championship game.

Chromeburn 02-28-2020 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 154922)
Cutler was always underrated and was definitely the best QB of the 2006 draft class. When he actually had a semblance of a team put around him, he took it to a conference championship game.

Cutler had his moments, but he is a far cry from who Mahomes is now. If Mahomes stays on his present course he might be one of the best to play the game.

rcubed 02-28-2020 03:00 PM

Trade a 2nd + something for Carr
Draft Kinlaw 13th
Take best WR or OT with other 2nd

Dam8610 02-28-2020 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 154987)
Cutler had his moments, but he is a far cry from who Mahomes is now. If Mahomes stays on his present course he might be one of the best to play the game.

I certainly wasn't saying Cutler was on the level that Mahomes is on now, but I don't understand why he was/is so maligned. He was a good QB.

Chromeburn 02-28-2020 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 155009)
I certainly wasn't saying Cutler was on the level that Mahomes is on now, but I don't understand why he was/is so maligned. He was a good QB.

I think he was over hyped early and couldn't live up to it. It's hard to play QB in Denver under Elway's shadow.

YDFL Commish 02-28-2020 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 155009)
I certainly wasn't saying Cutler was on the level that Mahomes is on now, but I don't understand why he was/is so maligned. He was a good QB.

No he wasnt. He was basically Jeff George 2.0.

Dam8610 03-21-2020 08:18 PM

Since the 13th pick was traded, who do we want at 34? I'm hoping Grant Delpit is there because he reminds me quite a bit of Derwin James, and I think he could have a similar impact. That said, I would mind an Ezra Cleveland or Laviska Shenault, there, either.

YDFL Commish 03-22-2020 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 157275)
Since the 13th pick was traded, who do we want at 34? I'm hoping Grant Delpit is there because he reminds me quite a bit of Derwin James, and I think he could have a similar impact. That said, I would mind an Ezra Cleveland or Laviska Shenault, there, either.

I prefer Aiyuk over Shenault due to Shenault's injury history.

Luck4Reich 03-22-2020 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by YDFL Commish (Post 157298)
I prefer Aiyuk over Shenault due to Shenault's injury history.

I like Aiyuk too and he will make an impact right away I believe.

Chromeburn 03-22-2020 10:59 AM

I like Denzel Mims. Not sure if he will be there though. Fits Ballard’s draft profile.

I’d also like a guy who can run routes and isn’t a three year project. Van Jefferson is a solid receiver. Duvernay has great hands, speed, and toughness. That Ohi State receiver is a route running master, not the fastest though. He tore up the senior bowl.

Luck4Reich 03-22-2020 11:21 AM

I see some mock drafts saying WR T. Higgins.

I dont know much about him... any thoughts?

Thorgrim 03-22-2020 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Luck4Reich (Post 157305)
I see some mock drafts saying WR T. Higgins.

I dont know much about him... any thoughts?

If he’s available at #34 I like the pick. He’s got speed and I value the height mismatches he creates.

Dam8610 03-22-2020 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by YDFL Commish (Post 157298)
I prefer Aiyuk over Shenault due to Shenault's injury history.

I only picked Shenault because he's one of the more likely WRs to be there, though honestly with the WR depth in this draft, I wouldn't be upset or surprised if 34 and 44 went to OT and QB, with 75 being used on a WR, provided a special talent at a different position doesn't fall to 34, of course. With how deep this class is, a guy like Duvernay or Hill could still be there at 75.

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Originally Posted by Luck4Reich (Post 157305)
I see some mock drafts saying WR T. Higgins.

I dont know much about him... any thoughts?

Tee Higgins would be a good get. He has the speed to take the top off of defenses, the size to go up and win 50/50 balls, and is a decent route runner.

Chromeburn 03-22-2020 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Luck4Reich (Post 157305)
I see some mock drafts saying WR T. Higgins.

I dont know much about him... any thoughts?

So Higgins didn’t test well at the combine. He had a slight hamstring injury and the scouts talked him into testing anyway. He probably should not have done that. So I think he is a better athlete than his test numbers show.

The knock on him is he doesn’t generate a lot of separation and he gets a lot of contested balls thrown his way. He is currently training with Houshmanzadah, like a number of WRs and Joe Burrow. Word is he looks great there and Housh called him a taller AJ Green. Is that just hype, or is he undervalued in a deep class?

Puck 03-22-2020 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 157275)
Since the 13th pick was traded, who do we want at 34? I'm hoping Grant Delpit is there because he reminds me quite a bit of Derwin James, and I think he could have a similar impact. That said, I would mind an Ezra Cleveland or Laviska Shenault, there, either.

Don't know who he is, but assume CB If so, I agree that CB will be high on the wish list

smitty46953 03-22-2020 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 157275)
Since the 13th pick was traded, who do we want at 34? I'm hoping Grant Delpit is there because he reminds me quite a bit of Derwin James, and I think he could have a similar impact. That said, I would mind an Ezra Cleveland or Laviska Shenault, there, either.

Grant Delpit plays Safety. Delpit has all the tools, but is a poor tackler IMO. I would be ok with re-signing Geathers to go along with Hooker and Willis then find a CB in 3rd round.

If Shenault is there at #34 I grab him and then QB Jalen Hurts with our next pick. Let Hurts sit behind Rivers a year or two and step in.

:cool:

Thorgrim 03-22-2020 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 157322)
So Higgins didn’t test well at the combine. He had a slight hamstring injury and the scouts talked him into testing anyway. He probably should not have done that. So I think he is a better athlete than his test numbers show.

The knock on him is he doesn’t generate a lot of separation and he gets a lot of contested balls thrown his way. He is currently training with Houshmanzadah, like a number of WRs and Joe Burrow. Word is he looks great there and Housh called him a taller AJ Green. Is that just hype, or is he undervalued in a deep class?

Here in Tiger country he has many fans for obvious reasons including productivity, physicality, and speed. Two traits that those who follow him closely that might appeal to Reich is 1. the kid is supposedly high character and 2. he stays invested in every play as an excellent downfield blocker.

ZionsvilleColtsFan 03-23-2020 10:07 PM

Colts second round selection
 
I'd like to see Indy take Jalen Hurts. Lots of upside potential and he could learn from Rivers and Brissett.

smitty46953 03-23-2020 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by ZionsvilleColtsFan (Post 157463)
I'd like to see Indy take Jalen Hurts. Lots of upside potential and he could learn from Rivers and Brissett.

Same here :cool:

Dam8610 03-24-2020 02:08 AM

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Originally Posted by ZionsvilleColtsFan (Post 157463)
I'd like to see Indy take Jalen Hurts. Lots of upside potential and he could learn from Rivers and Brissett.

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Originally Posted by smitty46953 (Post 157464)
Same here :cool:

The only way I'd want the Colts to take Hurts is if they planned to create a Taysom Hill role for him. He doesn't have the accuracy to be a long term starting QB.

YDFL Commish 03-24-2020 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 157472)
The only way I'd want the Colts to take Hurts is if they planned to create a Taysom Hill role for him. He doesn't have the accuracy to be a long term starting QB.

They said the same about Lamar Jackson.

Ironshaft 03-24-2020 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by ZionsvilleColtsFan (Post 157463)
I'd like to see Indy take Jalen Hurts. Lots of upside potential and he could learn from Rivers and Brissett.

The question is when we would have to take him.

If it is with #34 or #44, then I don't know that I am interested. Lots of good WR, TE or CB choices at those spots who have the ability to start immediately.

However, if we can get him with our 3rd round choice, then I am all for it.

I am hoping for OT and NT choices in the 4th/5th rounds. We need O-Line depth and a NT to rotate with Stewart.

But a developmental QB in the 3rd? Yeah, I could be good with that.

rcubed 03-24-2020 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Ironshaft (Post 157488)
The question is when we would have to take him.

If it is with #34 or #44, then I don't know that I am interested. Lots of good WR, TE or CB choices at those spots who have the ability to start immediately.

However, if we can get him with our 3rd round choice, then I am all for it.

I am hoping for OT and NT choices in the 4th/5th rounds. We need O-Line depth and a NT to rotate with Stewart.

But a developmental QB in the 3rd? Yeah, I could be good with that.

I wonder how many "developmental QBs" actually develop.

Racehorse 03-24-2020 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by rcubed (Post 157495)
I wonder how many "developmental QBs" actually develop.

I think Morgan of FIU will develop nicely. I hope we get him.

Chromeburn 03-24-2020 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 157472)
The only way I'd want the Colts to take Hurts is if they planned to create a Taysom Hill role for him. He doesn't have the accuracy to be a long term starting QB.

A name to keep in mind draft day is James Morgan of Florida Int. Supposedly several teams are interested including us. We have been vetting him. So likely a later round pick spent on a QB.

My worry is we will end up like the Vikings the last couple years. Squad good enough to win the super bowl, can’t find a QB to lead them there.

Colt Classic 03-24-2020 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 157501)
A name to keep in mind draft day is James Morgan of Florida Int. Supposedly several teams are interested including us. We have been vetting him. So likely a later round pick spent on a QB.

My worry is we will end up like the Vikings the last couple years. Squad good enough to win the super bowl, can’t find a QB to lead them there.

The Colts have their version of Favre!

Puck 03-24-2020 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 157501)
A name to keep in mind draft day is James Morgan of Florida Int. Supposedly several teams are interested including us. We have been vetting him. So likely a later round pick spent on a QB.

My worry is we will end up like the Vikings the last couple years. Squad good enough to win the super bowl, can’t find a QB to lead them there.


Nah. They wont draft a QB this yr. Other than Burrow or Tua the rest are just players taking up a roster space. How many of the others are actually more talented than Kelly? JB is here for this yr . they will look next yr.

I like Jaime Newman in next yrs draft

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HiaX2wEHq0g

smitty46953 03-24-2020 04:09 PM

Personally I think at #34 we need to add a top WR (Laviska Shenault or Brandon Aiyuk) either would be fine, just need bolster our receiving corps. Brissett aside, after T.Y. Hilton the cupboard is bare other than Campbell who we hope develops and can stay on the field.

Then at #44 I like Jalen Hurts if available to develop as our QB of the future. I personally like him much better than Jordan Love.

Jalen Hurts (6’1/222) QB Oklahoma
Hurts was always a good athlete at Alabama, but his improvement as a passer since transferring to Oklahoma is what has teams impressed. His sense of timing and anticipation has gotten a lot better. He exhibits very good lateral agility both in the pocket and in the open field. Last season under head coach Lincoln Riley, Hurts’ passing motion, comfortability, and efficiency took a massive leap. He led the nation in YPA (11.5) His accuracy is entirely underrated. Hurts has good velocity behind his throws and can fit his passes into tight windows. Throwing on the run is another asset in his game, as his athleticism and accuracy make him a tough quarterback to defend when he rolls out or scrambles. However, he must continue to improve his processing and willingness to stay inside the pocket. He is only 21 years old and is by all accounts very coachable. Hurts is also a very valuable runner; he ran for 1,298 yards on 233 attempts for an average of 5.57 yards per carry for 20 total TD’s. He has great breakaway speed for the quarterback position. He led college football, including running backs, in red zone rushing touchdowns (17) last season. He does need to be more consistent in terms of identifying the check down option and going through his progressions. Don’t sell Hurts short, he has starting-level upside with a little coaching and development.

(2019 Stats)
Games: 14
Attempts: 340
Completions: 237
Completion Percentage: 69.7
Yards: 3851
Yards/Attempt: 11.3
Touchdowns: 32
Interceptions: 8
QB Rating: 191.20
Rush Attempts: 233
Yards Rushing: 1,298
Yards per Attempt: 5.57
Rushing Touchdowns: 20

:cool:

Puck 03-24-2020 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by smitty46953 (Post 157532)
Personally I think at #34 we need to add a top WR (Laviska Shenault or Brandon Aiyuk) either would be fine, just need bolster our receiving corps. Brissett aside, after T.Y. Hilton the cupboard is bare other than Campbell who we hope develops and can stay on the field.

Then at #44 I like Jalen Hurts if available to develop as our QB of the future. I personally like him much better than Jordan Love.

Jalen Hurts (6’1/222) QB Oklahoma
Hurts was always a good athlete at Alabama, but his improvement as a passer since transferring to Oklahoma is what has teams impressed. His sense of timing and anticipation has gotten a lot better. He exhibits very good lateral agility both in the pocket and in the open field. Last season under head coach Lincoln Riley, Hurts’ passing motion, comfortability, and efficiency took a massive leap. He led the nation in YPA (11.5) His accuracy is entirely underrated. Hurts has good velocity behind his throws and can fit his passes into tight windows. Throwing on the run is another asset in his game, as his athleticism and accuracy make him a tough quarterback to defend when he rolls out or scrambles. However, he must continue to improve his processing and willingness to stay inside the pocket. He is only 21 years old and is by all accounts very coachable. Hurts is also a very valuable runner; he ran for 1,298 yards on 233 attempts for an average of 5.57 yards per carry for 20 total TD’s. He has great breakaway speed for the quarterback position. He led college football, including running backs, in red zone rushing touchdowns (17) last season. He does need to be more consistent in terms of identifying the check down option and going through his progressions. Don’t sell Hurts short, he has starting-level upside with a little coaching and development.

(2019 Stats)
Games: 14
Attempts: 340
Completions: 237
Completion Percentage: 69.7
Yards: 3851
Yards/Attempt: 11.3
Touchdowns: 32
Interceptions: 8
QB Rating: 191.20
Rush Attempts: 233
Yards Rushing: 1,298
Yards per Attempt: 5.57
Rushing Touchdowns: 20

:cool:

I think they could get him in the 3-4 if they wanted him. Despite all the hype from the talking heads I don't think this is a very good draft class after the top 2.

I agree on WR though. And now CB might move ahead of WR just because the WR class is so deep and there has been a few FA WR signed to drive even more picks down the board

Dam8610 03-24-2020 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by YDFL Commish (Post 157484)
They said the same about Lamar Jackson.

Lamar Jackson was viewed as a first round QB even with all his flaws at the time. No one thinks Jalen Hurts is a first round QB.

YDFL Commish 03-24-2020 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 157547)
Lamar Jackson was viewed as a first round QB even with all his flaws at the time. No one thinks Jalen Hurts is a first round QB.

He isn't. Late 2nd early 3rd is where I peg him.

Puck 03-24-2020 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 157547)
Lamar Jackson was viewed as a first round QB even with all his flaws at the time. No one thinks Jalen Hurts is a first round QB.

there are idiots who do

Dam8610 03-24-2020 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by YDFL Commish (Post 157548)
He isn't. Late 2nd early 3rd is where I peg him.

Right, but it's not like a Russell Wilson situation where there's a height issue or something like that, it's the concerns with accuracy. Watch his tape vs. LSU. That's what he'd look like as a starter against NFL defenses.

YDFL Commish 03-24-2020 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 157559)
Right, but it's not like a Russell Wilson situation where there's a height issue or something like that, it's the concerns with accuracy. Watch his tape vs. LSU. That's what he'd look like as a starter against NFL defenses.

I'm an OU fan dude. I could see that Burrow was the superior QB. When you are drafting a QB in the late 2nd early 3rd, you know that you have to develop them.

I think that Hurts has the same issues as Brissett, but is so much more gifted athletically that he's worth the risk.

Dam8610 03-24-2020 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by YDFL Commish (Post 157561)
I'm an OU fan dude. I could see that Burrow was the superior QB. When you are drafting a QB in the late 2nd early 3rd, you know that you have to develop them.

I think that Hurts has the same issues as Brissett, but is so much more gifted athletically that he's worth the risk.

Burrow didn't play on LSU's defense. Hurts was 3/12 with 1 or 2 INTs in that game prior to garbage time.


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