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YDFL Commish 03-20-2019 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 113834)
I hope the Colts go defense in Round 1. If the choice is Metcalf or a borderline 1st round defender, I think you have to take Metcalf.

I would trade down. Metcalf will be David Boston -1.0.

Dam8610 03-20-2019 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by YDFL Commish (Post 113845)
I would trade down. Metcalf will be David Boston -1.0.

I disagree. Hopefully he's off the board, it doesn't matter, and the Colts take the best defender or trade down.

FatDT 03-20-2019 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by YDFL Commish (Post 113845)
I would trade down. Metcalf will be David Boston -1.0.

Besides looking like a bodybuilder, what similarities are there between Metcalf and Boston?

VeveJones007 03-20-2019 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 113847)
I disagree. Hopefully he's off the board, it doesn't matter, and the Colts take the best defender or trade down.

I'm resigned to the Colts "reaching" for a Rd2 talent on defense at 26. Some draft analysts are saying there's really only about 20 1st round grades this year. Maybe someone falls, but I'm just assuming it won't happen.

Lawrence Owen 03-20-2019 10:34 AM

D.K. is so far down the WR list for me....
 
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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 113771)
There's only one WR for which I would be okay with that, and that is D.K. Metcalf because he may be Calvin Johnson 2.0. Otherwise, defense.

The next Johnson could be A.J. Brown IMO. Great height, size catch radius, and easily the best after the catch feild awareness and toughness of all the WR's. He's just slower than Metcalf.
Metcalf can run fast in a straight line. But he doesn't stop and go, cut corners, or make breaks well at all. And that is how a WR get's open. I think Metcalf is another John Ross, but stronger physically.

Dam8610 03-20-2019 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Lawrence Owen (Post 113856)
The next Johnson could be A.J. Brown IMO. Great height, size catch radius, and easily the best after the catch feild awareness and toughness of all the WR's. He's just slower than Metcalf.
Metcalf can run fast in a straight line. But he doesn't stop and go, cut corners, or make breaks well at all. And that is how a WR get's open. I think Metcalf is another John Ross, but stronger physically.

Calvin Johnson had terrible COD skills but was able to get open by taking advantage of his size and speed. If you take Metcalf and use him like Johnson, you'll have a great player (barring injury). If he runs slants (size), curls (size, speed), posts (speed) and flys (size, speed), he'll have monster production. He's not a COD guy, and you have to be okay with using him that way, but Calvin Johnson showed that a player with Metcalf's skillset can be very productive in the NFL.

Dam8610 03-20-2019 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by VeveJones007 (Post 113853)
I'm resigned to the Colts "reaching" for a Rd2 talent on defense at 26. Some draft analysts are saying there's really only about 20 1st round grades this year. Maybe someone falls, but I'm just assuming it won't happen.

I'd rather trade down with a QB needy team at that point. Maybe Sweat will fall with the heart condition.

VeveJones007 03-20-2019 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 113893)
I'd rather trade down with a QB needy team at that point. Maybe Sweat will fall with the heart condition.

I should have been more explicit--I don't think there will be a trade partner to trade down if so few teams have 1st round grades.

Luck4Reich 03-20-2019 03:05 PM

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Aaron Lynch?

What's his Story?

YDFL Commish 03-20-2019 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by FatDT (Post 113852)
Besides looking like a bodybuilder, what similarities are there between Metcalf and Boston?

The reason I said -1.0 is that Metcalf hasn't even had good college production. AJ Brown was the better WR on his team.

Also Metcalfs lackluster 3-cone shows that his change of direction ability will not be adequate enough to et him open in the NFL.

Dam8610 03-20-2019 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by YDFL Commish (Post 113936)
The reason I said -1.0 is that Metcalf hasn't even had good college production. AJ Brown was the better WR on his team.

Also Metcalfs lackluster 3-cone shows that his change of direction ability will not be adequate enough to et him open in the NFL.

He doesn't need COD. His size and speed are sufficient.

YDFL Commish 03-20-2019 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 113947)
He doesn't need COD. His size and speed are sufficient.

If you believe that, then you sir are a fool.

Chromeburn 03-20-2019 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 113810)
Calvin Johnson didn't run a 3 cone for this exact reason. He also ran slants, posts, curls, and gos about 75% of the time in his career and was obviously very productive doing that. I trust that Reich would use Metcalf in the exact same manner.

Check out this video, Brett Kollmann explains it really well.

I like my receivers to be able to run a whole route tree. He catches the ball well and in stride. Calvin Johnson has a huge catch radius though, you could throw it high to him even if he was covered. Did he have his pro day yet?

Chromeburn 03-20-2019 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by VeveJones007 (Post 113853)
I'm resigned to the Colts "reaching" for a Rd2 talent on defense at 26. Some draft analysts are saying there's really only about 20 1st round grades this year. Maybe someone falls, but I'm just assuming it won't happen.

That’s pretty typical. Most years there are only 10-20 guys that only have a high grade. Heard Polian talk about it once.

Dam8610 03-20-2019 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by YDFL Commish (Post 113954)
If you believe that, then you sir are a fool.

Find a 3 cone time for this guy. He did pretty well.

Dam8610 03-20-2019 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 113955)
I like my receivers to be able to run a whole route tree. He catches the ball well and in stride. Calvin Johnson has a huge catch radius though, you could throw it high to him even if he was covered. Did he have his pro day yet?

Calvin Johnson: 6'5" 237 4.35 40 no 3 cone time
Demaryius Thomas: 6'3" 229 4.38 40 no 3 cone time
D.K. Metcalf: 6'3" 228 4.33 40 7.38 3 cone

I think Johnson and Thomas would've had poor 3 cone times, they were just smart enough to not run the drill. That's not their game. Their game is being big, fast, hard to bring down, and using those elements to produce.

rcubed 03-20-2019 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 113960)
Calvin Johnson: 6'5" 237 4.35 40 no 3 cone time
Demaryius Thomas: 6'3" 229 4.38 40 no 3 cone time
D.K. Metcalf: 6'3" 228 4.33 40 7.38 3 cone

I think Johnson and Thomas would've had poor 3 cone times, they were just smart enough to not run the drill. That's not their game. Their game is being big, fast, hard to bring down, and using those elements to produce.

You mean they were not perfect at everything and played to their strengths??? Whaaaaat!?!?

FatDT 03-20-2019 09:42 PM

People complained about Bradley Chubb’s 3 cone last year and he kicked ass as a rookie.

Indiana V2 03-20-2019 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by YDFL Commish (Post 113954)
If you believe that, then you sir are a fool.

I thought that was already proven?

YDFL Commish 03-20-2019 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by FatDT (Post 113963)
People complained about Bradley Chubb’s 3 cone last year and he kicked ass as a rookie.

Apples and oranges...DE 3-cone does not pertain to a WR 3-cone. The most important measurable for an edge rusher is his 10-yard split...and even this can be subjective, when you watch his tape, you want to be sure that they match.

YDFL Commish 03-20-2019 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 113959)


Which proves nothing, because there is the chance that he would've performed well.

You can salivate for Metcalf all you want. I'm just saying...buyer beware. There are a lot of WR's in the later rounds who are less likely to bust, that I would say are better values.

FatDT 03-21-2019 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by YDFL Commish (Post 113968)
Apples and oranges...DE 3-cone does not pertain to a WR 3-cone. The most important measurable for an edge rusher is his 10-yard split...and even this can be subjective, when you watch his tape, you want to be sure that they match.

They're different positions but the 3 cone measures the same thing regardless of who is running it. It's overrated and doesn't outweigh what the tape shows. It's silly to get hung up on it.

If you want to say Metcalf's tape isn't good enough to warrant a high pick, then ok. I think you can make that argument.

JAFF 03-21-2019 02:47 PM

When they add a three cone competition in the NFL I’ll pay attention. Did he make plays in a game?

smitty46953 03-21-2019 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by JAFF (Post 114040)
When they add a three cone competition in the NFL I’ll pay attention. Did he make plays in a game?

Yes, personally rather Ballard go from his scouts word and the game tapes. This isn't PE class … :cool:

Coltsalr 03-21-2019 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by YDFL Commish (Post 113715)
First off improving the SAM position should be the least of anybodies worries.

Secondly, does Eric Berry really fit into this defense wit Malik Hooker...I'm not sure he does?

Lastly, I believe that Houston is done, and his production continues to slide.

Sounds like Grigson plan to me.

Well Houston is now a Colt.

So much for the Grigson plan.

JAFF 03-21-2019 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Coltsalr (Post 114057)
Well Houston is now a Colt.

So much for the Grigson plan.

Will he make the Colts better?

YDFL Commish 03-21-2019 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by JAFF (Post 114040)
When they add a three cone competition in the NFL I’ll pay attention. Did he make plays in a game?

Metcalf has virtually no production throughout his college career.

Dam8610 03-21-2019 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by YDFL Commish (Post 114076)
Metcalf has virtually no production throughout his college career.

Ta'amu was a pretty bad QB.

VeveJones007 03-21-2019 05:49 PM

ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED!!

This is a reasonable gamble that could pay off. I’m sure it’ll be structured so the Colts can get out of year 2 at limited cap hit.

Coltsalr 03-21-2019 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 114081)
Ta'amu was a pretty bad QB.

He’s okay.

Phil Longo, the OC at Ole Miss, however, was an incompetent retard.

YDFL Commish 03-21-2019 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 114081)
Ta'amu was a pretty bad QB.

Yet AJ Brown had a great season?

Dam8610 03-21-2019 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by YDFL Commish (Post 114095)
Yet AJ Brown had a great season?

Metcalf got injured. 26 receptions for 569 yards and 5 TDs in 7 games. That's not poor production and it was with a bad QB.

YDFL Commish 03-21-2019 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 114119)
Metcalf got injured. 26 receptions for 569 yards and 5 TDs in 7 games. That's not poor production and it was with a bad QB.

He never had a solid season.

omahacolt 03-21-2019 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by VeveJones007 (Post 113736)
Biggest hole on the roster right now and one of the most important positions on the defense in this scheme. Luckily there are some really good draft options. I expect Ballard will re-sign Geathers to a 1 year deal and draft a SS with one of his top 4 picks.

Wrong

omahacolt 03-21-2019 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Coltsalr (Post 113791)

Dam LITERALLY only cares about a 40 time

JAFF 03-21-2019 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by omahacolt (Post 114133)
Dam only cares about a 40 time

Is that 40 times around three cones?

Dam8610 03-21-2019 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by omahacolt (Post 114133)
Dam only cares about a 40 time

You're clueless, but I think you already knew that.

YDFL Commish 03-21-2019 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by omahacolt (Post 114133)
Dam LITERALLY only cares about a 40 time

I'm starting to also think that looking at a dudes pec's gives him a woody.

apballin 03-21-2019 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by omahacolt (Post 114133)
Dam LITERALLY only cares about a 40 time

Bs 40 times matter

Luck4Reich 03-21-2019 09:20 PM

What has Metcalf done exactly to get anyone excited?
He is going to disappear quickly into the Bust abyss.

Let someone else have him. No thanks.


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