I believe Dam was responding to the post about what it would take to move up to the #1 overall pick in this upcoming draft. His proposed trade would be closer but I doubt Arizona would agree to it.

Just the year before, the Colts were able to secure 3 Second Round picks from the Jets to move up 3 spots from Pick 6 to Pick 3.

So HoosierinFL's proposal of Brissett and 1 Second Round pick to move up 25 spots would be met with a dial tone from Arizona.

Dam's 2 Second Round picks and next year's First Round pick to swap Arizona's and the Colt's Firsts this year would probably be met with a counter offer wanting additional assets.

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But, I am in complete agreement with you that Ballard won't be looking to move up that far. I wouldn't mind him trying to move up a little from 26 if the price isn't too high. I am sure the front office will explore all kinds of options.

Besides their "home run" of talent evaluation last year, I thought that Ballard and his team did an exceptional job of maneuvering up and down the draft. I liked the trades with Philly to move 3 spots down and the trade with Cleveland to move 3 spots up.

Well no, Donald is older and expensive. Part of the reason you'd give that up to get Quinnen Williams is that his upcoming season will be his age 21 season and you'll probably get close to Aaron Donald level impact at Mark Glowinski prices.

Yea that's what I was thinking. If Quinnen Williams is the next Aaron Donald, he would have a huge impact on this defense - and if it costs us a couple of draft picks and a player like Brissett, it would be worth it IMO.

Absolutly not worth it.

"A couple of draft picks...." is a huge understatement. The deal that was bantered about earlier was:

Swap of 1st round picks this year.
Give both our 2nd round picks this year.
Give our 1st round pick next year.
Give Jacoby Brissett.

That about right?

Ballard picked an All-Pro off the ball Linebacker in the 2nd round this year.
Ballard picked a starting calibre right Offensive Tackle in the 2nd round this year.
Ballard picked a generational talent at Offensive Guard in the 1st round this year.

Giving away that many chances at good to superior players in order to draft ONE player with superior potential is the way franchises are run into the ground.

I don't care is Quinnen Williams is the 2nd coming of J.J. Watt, Aaron Donald and Reggie White combined, he is one injury away from being out of football. He is one bad decision away from being in jail. He is one targeted catfish sting away from being in legal trouble. He is one video game console from being addicted so much that he walks away from football (I could not resist).

I would MUCH rather see what Ballard can do with those four draft picks as is (plus potentially a 5th draft pick if someone comes calling for Brissett with a 2nd round pick) rather than roll it all into ONE guy who may or may not play up to his potential.

Walk Worthy,

at that price no, but what I had said was more like swap our first round picks, give one second pick this year, *maybe* a second round pick next year, and Brissett.
I would do that. We would only lose one pick this year, and the tradeoff for that is getting what might be the next Aaron Donald.

But the only way Arizona would do that deal is if Ballard had compromising photos of the Arizona GM.

The Jets gave 3 Second Round picks to move up 3 spots.

Your proposal is for the Colts to move up 25 spots (!!!) by giving up LESS than the Jets (even your "maybe" scenario of 2 Seconds + Brissett is basically a wash with what the Jets gave up to move up 3 spots)

Here is a draft trade chart

https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-Value-Chart.asp

We would have to give our 1st and two 2nds this year. Our 1st and 2nd next year. And maybe Brisset. That is 5 top 60 players for one all-pro player. Seems a lot.

Grady Jarret was a 5th round pick. There are lots of DTs in this class and will be a few next year. I think I would rather have a DE, CB, DT than just one DT. Plus whatever guys next year.

You combined the two proposals there. I wouldn't give up Brissett on top of all the draft picks, but Arizona likely has no interest in Brissett. Arizona likely wouldn't do either proposal, anyway, as both are light for the #1 overall pick. They'd have to view Brissett as worth a top 5 pick and completely devalue the QB they spent a top 10 pick on last year to do HoosierinFL's proposal.

I don't think it's worth what it would actually take to get to 1, but having Quinnen Williams sure would be nice.

It would, he looks about as close to a sure thing I have seen at DT in awhile. But I would rather take the picks. Collectively, five top 60 players on defense should do more than one all pro DT. And you might get lucky and get an all pro or all star like they got Leonard.

Draft class pressures per pass-rush snap (via PFF):

I think this stat is important because the Colts pointed to it as part of the reason they drafted Turay. Ferguson is a guy to keep an eye on here, as he could be in play for 26 or 34; however, he did compile those stats against lesser competition.

I think Zach Allen is an underrated prospect. He isn't a bendy dynamo against the pass but he is solid all around and makes a lot of plays off effort. He also isn't a liability against the run like a lot of these guys.

Zach Allen is overrated if anything. He has no rush moves to speak of and his only plan of attack is "run through the guy in front of me" which rarely works and will work even less in the NFL.

Grady Jarrett himself will also be a free agent this year.

I agree, no need to go all Ditka for Quinnen Williams.

Four years ago you were outraged over Grigson not signing Suh.

Are you similarly hoping that Ballard does so this offseason?

Four years ago, Suh was 28, now he's 32. Definitely not the same player and definitely on the decline, so I'm not nearly as interested. Besides, the Colts appear to have a competent GM now, meaning signing premium free agents won't be just about the only way to get top end talent on this team.

I'll disagree on this one. I think he has great instincts for screens and short passes, bats down passes. Yeah he needs more moves, but he has good quickness and a very strong pop when he engages OL initially. Very strong hands to swipe and shed the OL arms. I think he is very effective in the run game and his relentless effort will get him a lot of clean up sacks. He will probably be a 5-tech anyway.

None of these ends besides Bosa look like a sure thing to me, they all have warts. I'll take some warts over others.

He didn't really stand out on the BC tape of him that I watched, and he was entirely unimpressive at the Senior Bowl. I watched all the OL vs. DL reps for both teams, every time Allen got a chance, all he did was try to run through the tackle, and it failed. Even Anthony Nelson showed better hands usage and moves. To me, the team who drafts Allen will regret it if they do so before Round 4.

I can agree with this, but I would take the warts of a Clelin Ferrell, Montez Sweat, or Jachai Polite over the warts of a Zach Allen, especially in Round 1.

Oh I don’t have him as a round 1 guy. I think of him as late 2 to early 4. Ouch on the Anthony Nelson comp, I’m not too high on Nelson. Allen does need work, but I think he could be a solid consistent piece, good in short yardage and goaling situations. A guy who is always annoying to the offense.

I would take all those guys you listed before Allen. Ferrel is my favorite of that group. If any of those three make it to 26 I would definetly take them. I would only pause for one of the three techs at that spot.

Fair, I was just curious.

I’d prefer Grady Jarrett personally obviously but I’d take Suh.

I know we’d probably get a Suh that wouldn’t turn it on for regular season games @Tennesse but if we can get an Uber motivated, Uber talented DT that’ll come alive during prime time and postseason, I say do it.

I personally wouldn't invest a 3 in Zach Allen, but it seems like we have similar grades on him. Most draft rankings I've seen have Allen in that Round 1 tier, and he's absolutely not that to me.

1) Two of DeMarcus Lawrence, Frank Clark, and Dee Ford, and 2) Grady Jarrett would be my ideal free agency signings for the Colts. Picking up those three players would allow Ballard to draft exclusively BPA in the draft, even if it meant a WR at 26.

I’d also like to sign Landon Collins in my dream offseason and then yes, I’d honestly go WR in the 1st round. Particularly if we could get DK Metcalf (less likely) or AJ Brown (more likely) out of Ole Miss.

It is conceivable all 4 (Lawrence, Clark, Ford, Jarrett, and I'll add L. Collins)could all be hit with the franchise tag. :cool:

It's a great idea, but I doubt Ballard shells out that much in free agency, and he already seems to be prepping the fanbase to not expect a WR early in this draft. I think Ballard is looking at DL early and often.

Unfortunately that's true, and we'll know whether or not they are in 11 days. There's already been reports that the Chiefs won't franchise Dee Ford. If any of them aren't, they'd likely be Ballard's top free agent target(s).

Yeah, I don’t expect any of them to hit the market.

More recent reports out of KC suggest that they will franchise Dee Ford. Here is an article from 3 days ago:

https://www.kansascity.com/sports/nf...226472890.html

Where did you get where Ballard is prepping the fan base for no WR in the 1st round? I saw Kiper and MMQB give us AJ Brown just this week. Kiper for sure is quite connected around the league and MMQB definitely does a lot of educated guesses in their Mocks.

You only hope he doesn’t sign a WR early in the draft or a big time WR. Be prepared to be disappointed it’s gonna happen.

He’s not picking D with every pick like you want. He will pick WR OL And I believe a real RB earlier than later when the BPA is in that position

1) Holder had an interview last week where he said the Colts weren’t as down on their WRs as the fans.

2) Ballard gave an interview a couple weeks ago. When asked what he saw as biggest area of weakness, he said fans would answer WR, but he saw it as pass rush.

3) Ballard has been very clear that he wants to build the trenches. I would be shocked if 26 and 34 aren’t defensive linemen.

Yep. That’s the interview with #2. He’s said #3 several times.

Gotcha, I hadn’t seen any of that, so thanks.

Still, this time of year there’s the cliche that everyone is lying but in light of that my hope for them drafting a WR has certainly diminished some.

I’ve learned to take Ballard at his word. When was the last time he intentionally mislead in an interview?

I’ve also come around to the fact that this draft class is deep at WR. They’ll get a really good player in Rd 3 or 4.

I know our WRs looked bad vs KC. But people forget just how injured TY was. They forget Doyle is coming back, and that Inman will improve with a full team offseason, and that Deon Cain is the baddest motherfucker on the planet. We don’t need a 1st round WR to have a great offense.

A rookie WR isn’t really going to come in and blow things up anyway. They are not like running backs. WRs are usually long term investments. I would look for more contribution from the second year guys they drafted last year. I bet they will draft someone but just not very high. A lot of depth in this WR class so they should be able to find someone in the 3rd to 5th round and he probably won’t be that different from a guy taken in the second.

Gimme Damarkus Lodge, then:

https://twitter.com/draftreign/statu...025113600?s=21

https://twitter.com/draftreign/statu...543578112?s=21

https://twitter.com/draftreign/statu...676698112?s=21

Yep, Lodge is one good example. Preston Williams is another.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mmUrpehhgA

Anthony Johnson is a small school guy who has gotten lost in the logjam this year. Before the season he was talked about a top 60 pick.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXguvaQGIZs

Today's latest: Kansas City IS franchising Dee Ford and are OK having him as part of their defensive unit. However, they are listening to trade offers and would be willing to trade.

https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/sta...64188803584000


So I guess they are looking to trade one of their edge defenders - either Justin Houston or Ford.

He does practice some misdirection though, I heard Nelson say after his Pro-Day at N.D. they told him your going be heck of a player wherever you end up and they didn't talk to him at all at combine. Said was surprised when he heard them call his name at #6 ... :cool: