There can't be an issue. According to Dam... Pagfuck resurrected a bad player in Vontae from the Dolphins.... even though the stats disagree.

No, no, absolutely not any issue at all with the coaching, none.

I honestly think the potential exists at this juncture for the first case of player on coach violence. I think this has swung to the extreme side of not wanting to deal with this guy anymore. He was at one time very much a man they stood behind, now I'm not so sure given some of the things he's done they aren't a group of men ready to stand behind him- with knives drawn.

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Latrell Sprewell Suspended For Attacking, Choking Coach

(By David Steele)

http://www.sfgate.com/sports/article...ng-2820603.php



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I fell asleep on the couch and missed the end of the game and the Pagano presser. So he said that the Vontae absence was a coaching decision and not injury related? Interesting. I think they've been lying about Quincy Wilson and, if this Vontae info is true, the case is pretty much closed. The league probably needs to look into what's going on with our injury reports and perhaps punish Chuck and company in accordance with whatever rules they're violating.

I just listened to it over on .com. Chuck was definitely angry/irritated. It sounded like Mike Wells and Stephen Holder asking the questions, and it was. Holder confirmed it on Twitter.

The video of it is wild - never seen Chuck so irritable. A dude that just won a game- finally winning one where his pattern has been for that exact game to slip away- and this was his response. The dude is cracking in this pressure cooker.

In some respects again this falls at the feet of Irsay. The whole thing of not getting rid of a guy mid stream- man if there is ever a case to do it, it is here. Chuck and many many others being around this team is not in any way beneficial to the org at this point and Jim owes it to everyone- Chuck, the players, us, to cut ties now rather than just dragging this mess out for another couple months.

Good call C&O, forgot about good ol' Latrell.

blind squirrel finding a nut thing.
Law of averages says he would win one of these given enough tries

I heard Big Joe speculating about this yesterday and he thinks it was VDs agent floating the injury thing to the national guys to make his guy more sympathetic and less toxic when he has to market him at free agency (and to make the Colts look like a bumbling fuck). He spends a lot of time in that locker room and he's never heard any talk of lingering injury. He was also quick to point out that VD has been a good teammate, engaged and hardworking. Who knows what the truth is but anytime an organization is swirling down the tubes like the Colts is anyone can make up anything and make it stick. I can totally see an agent being opportunistic knowing that the Colts won't be resigning VD.....

Davis has never been a behavioral problem. Pagano himself identified Davis as a leader. I'm more inclined to believe he is injured and the coaches/medical staff aren't taking it seriously based on the stuff coming out about Luck, and other issues we've seen.

So someone help me figure out this mess of a franchise...

Vontae is quiet, but it's put out there that he's hurt. Except team says he isn't. Holder reports that it's actually performance-related and he reacted poorly to being benched. While Vontae says it's the groin injury.

He's replaced by Pierre Desir. He's not replaced by Quincy Wilson, who is injured. Or rather, "injured".

Because you can't trust a goddamn word that comes out of the mouth of anyone in this shit show of an organization right now.

This is why sometimes teams entertain the thought of trading a player for a draft pick that may not be equal value. It would be worth not having yet another mess to clean up, no matter who is at fault or what the root of the problem is.

Exactly.

Mike Chappel on DD show today doubling down on Holders assessment of the situation. He thinks Colts have bungled the communication around this but he claims that they aren't happy with VDs performance, he was benched, and had words with his coaches (just as Holder claims). He claims there is no doubt they feel they have sufficient depth at the position (Desir's stock has risen) and won't be re-upping with him next year. All of the rest of this drama is just unnecessary bungling of a dysfunctional org.....and likely VDs agent stirring the pot with the national guys......fwiw

so if it was a benching, is that a ditch effort on pagano to show ballard he buys into the competition mantra? Man I grow more tired of pags each week.

I hope Vontae called him a fucking idiot.

What are the odds of them putting Vontae on IR and effectively ending his career with the Colts? They could just say that he's hurt. Nobody checks up on their injury reports anyway.

JMV right now said he heard VD broke the letter of some rule....didn't know what the rule was....so was made an example of and he didn't handle it well. Agrees with the local guys that the florio story is sourced from his agents throwing shade at the Colts cause he knows his days as a colt are all but over.

and that makes the most sense.


he probably questioned the coaches for making him play so much damn zone

Hope he called him a useless cunt who has sucked the life out of the organization for the last 4 years.

Shoulda traded him. Now we have nothing for him and he won't be back

But, but, but, but..... Luck was gonna come back the week after all that, we were going to run the table and win the SB!

The abysmal management of this shit can be no more apparent...

Bob Kravitz‏ @bkravitz 3m3 minutes ago
Just spoke to Vontae Davis, who is hurt emotionally and physically and very, very angry. Asked about his future in Indy, he said, "Change is good.'' Column to come.

Ouch. It doesn't much more direct than that. Thank you for your service, and good luck elsewhere, Vontae Davis. This season claims yet another victim.

If Davis is to be believed, why do I feel like these clowns are trying to throw him under a bus so they gain some leverage in contract negotiations next year?

Now we have a "disrespectful" coach too. And he's supposed to be a player's guy.

Dead horse, but: shit show organization with no empowered adult running the ship.

Pagano is a phony BS artist. He's a fucking snake in the grass.

I'm starting to wonder if Pagano is just hitting the self destruct button on the way out of the door.

It's time to fire him so he can't fuck up any more players or situations.

I've never disliked a person I don't know personally more. That dude can go fuck himself right in the ass.

He is a slimy con artist who managed to fool our drug addled owner for YEARS. I sincerely hope he never works in the NFL again.

According to PFT Ballard told Zac Keefer that the Colts medical staff, ( I had a hard time typing that without laughing my ass off), cleared Vontae to play!! The same “ medical staff” that is handling the Luck injury, so with that being said, I’ll believe Vontae!!!

https://www.indystar.com/story/sport...yel/846399001/

It was apparently Pagano’s Call and him/Vontae had a big argument, per Doyel.

Why is this team letting Pagano bother a player with his petty bullshit like this?

The only good thing about all this shit is that Pagano will not be employed by the Colts next year. If he is, then Irsay needs to be put in a fucking old folks home and give his daughters the team. Then his daughters need to let Ballard run the show. This fucking franchise has become an embarrassment, sad to say.

Wait, isn't this exactly what all of you have wanted? With the incessant bitching on this board about Pagano being "too soft" on players and being a "player's coach", I would expect Pagano's actions in this case to be praised, like Doyel does in his article. I guess this is just further evidence that most Colts fans will find a way to blame Pagano for any problem regardless of what the problem actually is.

You are familiar with the old adage "a dollar short and a day late right"?

Chuck is suddenly going to flex his muscle and lay down the law after YEARS of not doing it and that stain having permeated the entire fabric of the org?

Fuck Chuck- this shouldn't even be in his court because he shouldn't be here right now!

@adamschefter
After seeking second medical opinions, Colts CB Vontae Davis is opting to undergo season-ending groin surgery, per source.


And so ends his career in Indy.

Too bad, he played very for us. Regardless of this situation I wonder if he would have been resigned anyway. Not good to go on a sour note...

I wonder if those second opinions were from his grandma? I actually like Vontae, hate to see him go out like this.

No

This is absolutely not how things should go in regards to one of your best players

see what happens when you go to real doctors, you get a real diagnosis!! So much for "coaches decision". Pagano, the lying bastard that he is, can't be fired fast enough,