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The Colts are going to get toasted by the media, they have to realize how bad this looks. Why not just talk nicely to AR and say, we don't think you are quite ready and we want to go with Joe for a few games and see how it goes, but you are still our guy. Even if that is not exactly the truth it is better than totally blowing up your relationship with the guy.
Unless they do some damage control and quick, I agree with Chopped, how do you go back to him this season? And what is his future? Finally why didn't they make this move at halftime in Houston, that was a winnable game! Something had to have happened, there had to have been an altercation of some type for us to get to this! |
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Rex Ryan said the gm was forcing the coach to play AR… I’m guessing Irsay watched the division go up in flames with his stupid qb play… no excuses.. JT was back… Buck was back Only way he can get the ball to a WR is on a schemed up route where downs is wide open 3 and outs constantly, his strength is supposed to be his legs yet he gets hurt every time he’s touched Irsay was pissed and overruled Ballards bullshit because this season is salvageable and not fair to the vets on the team that have been here thru all the bullshit to ride out another shitty season with an immature QB that’s clearly not ready to be a leader |
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FIRE CHRIS BALLARD! |
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i always feel like Irsay has become too much like his dad, and just no longer can think clearly. |
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So not excluding him from blame, just accepting that short of the girls basically taking the keys away, he can't be stopped from driving. Also don't think he is thinking clearly, if he was I really don't think Ballard would have been the GM when the season started. |
Looking at the rest of our schedule I can see Flacco going 5-4 and maybe even 6-3 and into the playoffs.
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Allen's career college stats: 56.2% completion %, 44/21 TD/Int ratio, 767 rushing yards (3.2 ypc) and 12 rushing TDs in 25 starts. AR's career college stats: 54.7% completion %, 17/9 TD/INT ratio, 1116 rushing yards (6.9 ypc), and 12 rushing TDs in 13 starts. Not saying AR will work out, but his throwing stats in college were pretty comparable to Allens', and obviously his rushing stats were much better. AR was also playing against SEC defenses while Allen was playing in the MWC. |
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Your first post since the Steelers game last month. http://www.coltfreaks.com/forum/showthread.php?t=187118 o |
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He's always seemed immature to me, but I hesitate to label things 'immature' because I recognize there may be some cultural/generational differences that hinder my ability to effectively 'frame' my perspective within that context.
Some thoughts - * This thing coming out about him apparently audibling to that throw before the close of the half is dumbfounding. * From the start, I have seen what appears to be a good kid trying to say all the right things, for an organization that is desperately trying to empower him by rolling out the carpet and giving him the keys to the franchise. They made him a captain before he even played. Did they do that with Luck? (If they did, it made sense. He was good from the very start; Maybe he should have tapped out once or twice - he might still be playing) * They throw the ball with him more than I ever expected. I really thought Richardson was going to essentially be a RB that could throw. I have tried to make sense of this but am having trouble. - Does he have a conditioning (discipline) issue. We know he's an athletic freak but is he in actual peak condition? Does he need to weigh 244 lbs? Is conditioning potentially affecting his throws, his footwork, etc? Is it affecting his mental?A few more things and then I'm done. He likes talking shit. He likes taunting opposing fans. He doesn't care what the scoreboard says. I don't see enough "Act like you've been there" moments from him to warrant seeing that, personally. The national media is ripping his ass for the tap-out, and admittedly I do not think they're wrong. I can't understand that either, to be honest. I didn't play at his level, or even close, but I never wanted to come out of the game. Never. When I played as a kid I found that type of behavior disgusting. I had less respect for teammates that were like that, and wanted to crush opponents even more if they displayed that type of behavior. Nothing is better than pointing to that fucking scoreboard, and saying "scoreboard". That's all that matters. We've had some shit luck y'all. I think our organization has been challenged and we've tried our best. We tried to transition from Manning, I think most of us understood why, and it didn't work. We tried with Luck, things got a little better, and it fell apart. I do not believe the organization failed Luck, it just is what it is. We had to take a chance on this kid. I still think it was the right choice. I think benching him is the right choice too. He needs accountability like most if not all of us do. |
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I forgot about that. How long had it been before that one? |
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5 years ...... and that also, was after a game against the Steelers. http://www.coltfreaks.com/forum/show...058#post306058 o |
Okay, fuck it, couldn't resist, went back and watched the game to confirm the shit I posted yesterday in the game thread and with both Bowen and Orlovsky's comments in mind.
From what I saw, this was the best full game we've seen AR play. Brady, Montana, Manning, good, nope, not close. Graded on an AR slope, from my perspective- absolutely his best game throwing the ball. You know who wasn't good, who was downright fucking bad, the fucking lame ass OL! If you want to see some dudes put on the bench- there's a series of big fucking loafers on that line that should be sitting! Rainnman- worst game he's ever played! Nelson, oh yeah, pissed about the 3 false starts, and he had the great pull block on the screen, but man that dude had some atrocious pass pro in this game. AR got some passes off where his clock was sped up and he made a good reed and delivered a ball. A couple of them, completely off foundation because he couldn't follow through. Finally, and I bitched about this in the game thread. Man if you don't want to watch the whole game, just pull up the final fucking play. Steichen, if you want to be a disciplinarian and you want to hold dudes accountable. Smith, Nelson, and Rainnman---- all three of them should be handed 3 game suspensions! 3 Games, one for each of the fucking rushers you let get to the QB! Watch just how fucking bad all three of them are on that play, and in particular Nelson! Rainnman doesn't even come close to stopping the edge, just gets blown the fuck up, but the real problem, the one that makes it so there is no chance for AR to avoid the first lineman, is Nelson completely shitting the bed and letting his man go all the way across his face. He damn near falls down trying to reach for the block he is so late in recognition of what is happening. First ballot HOF franchise Guard my fucking ass! The whole damn team did AR no fucking favors in this game, none! From Steichen calling 37 passes to the OL just being statues- hell watch the tap out play- holy shit it's embarrassing how bad the line performed, to the WR room not even pretending to know how to catch all fucking day... THIS WAS A TEAM BED SHITTING- in fact, outside of the audible and of course the tap out, AR was probably the high water mark for performance. So, this better be a "look, we're going to sit you for a game, no matter what happens with Flacco this week you are getting the next start but we have to do this to save face for the tap out". If this is anything other than that, then Shane Steichen can fuck off as a coach! And for what it is worth, if the OL is anything near this bad, Flacco won't make it through this game. THEY WERE THAT FUCKING BAD! |
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When I was in 6th grade, I was taught that whenever you start a football team, you always start with the offensive line ...... not the running backs, not the quarterback, not the pass rushers, and not the special teams, but the offensive line. That is because you have absolutely nothing with a bad offensive line, with perhaps a rare exception being if you have incredibly mobile QB's such as Fran Tarkenton, Michael Vick, or Randall Cunningham running around like maniacs to compensate/offset a terrible offensive line. People are often in awe when they speak of Ken Stabler and Daryle Lamonica when they played for the Raiders ...... but Stabler and Lamonica (and later Jim Plunkett) had what was arguably the greatest offensive line in the history of professional football blocking for them between 1967 and 1982. I would see Stabler literally just stand there for 5 or 6 full seconds while deciding whether to throw it to Fred Biletnikoff over the middle, Cliff Branch deep downfield, or Clarence Davis or Mark van Eeghen out of the backfield. So yes, in my rat's ass of an opinion you are absolutely right ...... if a mobile quarterback like Anthony Richardson's troubles in the Texans game were largely due to the horrible performance by the offensive line, then a 39 year-old immobile quarterback like Joe Flacco probably would not have lasted the game without getting killed, let alone done a reasonably good job of leading the team on offense against the Texans this past Sunday. o |
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I agree completely that Richardson's most egregious mistake, by far, was throwing that pass that resulted in an INT deep in Colts territory with seconds remaining in the first half ...... and that if anything, that ought to be the reason why he is being benched. However, Steichen called for a pass play in the first place, with Goodson in the backfield. Richardson audibled out of Steichen's pass play, and into another pass play with Goodson going wide instead of lining up behind Richardson. So it would be quite ironic if the head coach was benching the quarterback primarily for throwing the INT in that situation when the coach himself wanted to "stay aggressive" and throw a pass in the first place. o |
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Man I am so enraged, I keep re-watching the hail mary attempt. EVERY DAMN COLTS FAN owes it to themselves to go watch this thing. It is pure comedy. I have seen criticism levied at AR "he's so bad he couldn't even get off a hail mary"... They bring THREE. We have 5 lineman--- AND JT in to protect- we roll AWAY from the stacked front. 4.73 seconds, that's how long it took for them to get to AR- 4.73 seconds on a damn roll away from pressure- and we still get sacked. And I am telling you, that effort by Nelson, man to your point C&O, you get taught in pee-wee league, you fucking hit anything that crosses your face, that's a fundamental- he whiffs bigger than shit- it is embarrassingly bad. Just gut wrenching to watch! Steichen- do you even watch the fucking film to drive your decisions? Sit Nelson down for his lack of effort! |
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Smith - Hunter starts at the 49 and Smith carries him all the way to the 36 when he just runs lateral because AR took off. I don't know where else Smith is supposed to take him. Tucker - He basically had nothing to do. Anderson is lined up beyond the wide-9, like out in the slot. He's the only one who might engage him, but when AR rolls out, Anderson stops going up field and goes straight lateral. Kelly - Takes Autry head-on, who then collides a bit with JT because... Nelson - Assists Kelly and shoves Autry into JT. This comes after he drops and sees that Hewitt is not coming with the rush. Right when he helps, Anderson comes straight lateral across the line right when he sees AR leaving the pocket. Raimann - I guess you can criticize him most on the OL? He's dropping like Nelson, sees that Hewitt isn't coming, and slides inside to help, then Anderson comes whizzing by laterally and he doesn't get a hand on him. Doesn't see him coming because he's blocking for a QB in the pocket. Ultimately, Hunter and especially Anderson barely have to engage the OL because they just run completely around them and meet at AR who ran away from his blockers. He had a pocket to work with. |
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Yeah, I agree, interesting and good scheme by the Texans to overload and basically force AR to go left which is going to require more time to plant and launch= smart- which would again to me, says that Shane Steichen isn't as good as the opposing coach. No, sorry, Nelson got schooled too. He didn't need to help- there were fucking 6 dudes to cover up 3 rushers! FUCK! 6 vs 3 and no extra blitzers coming in a gap- fucking catch the dude crossing you- it isn't that deep. So we needed 3 to block Autry (not that JT does absolutely fucking anything- which is common for him in the passing game). If so, then hell yeah shame on Ballard for letting a dude that needs 3 blockers go (which I think we've all been pissed he let him go...). Just a disgrace. None of these dudes should be excused for how shitty they played, none of them. |
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It was in a Yahoo article that Chopped Wood posted in the game thread. It stated that Steichen wanted to stay aggressive, even though the Colts were on their own 12-yardline with only 34 seconds left in the half ...... and then it stated that even after the incomplete pass on 2nd down, Steichen wanted to try it again, and subbed in Tyler Goodson to throw. QUOTE: ) With less than a minute left in the first half, Steichen was urging the offense to stay aggressive in a tie game after a Taylor run moved the ball from their own 5 to the 11. The next throw fell incomplete, but he wanted to try it again with 34 seconds left. He subbed Tyler Goodson into the game to throw. Richardson checked out of that play, and sent Goodson out wide to throw out of empty. He stared down zone coverage and threw an interception on a hitch route that led to a touchdown and the swing moment in the loss. https://sports.yahoo.com/10-thoughts...091811055.html So there you have it ...... a head coach who was acting like a complete imbecile in the first place benching his quarterback for also acting like a complete imbecile in the 2nd place. o |
This team is completely fucking dysfunctional. AR saying nothing was explained to him about the benching, Stechein non committal about AR ever starting again (he “can’t predict the future”). They drafted an extremely raw QB prospect, start him from fucking day one, and are now showing no commitment to his growth. What an absolute fucking dumpster fire. Where are all the Ballard fans today? Still believe he’s a fucking genius?
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P.S. ) And if Steichen DID call for a screen play, he must have been doing so on the advice of Joe Thiesmann, who has some experience in throwing screen passes deep in his own territory in the final seconds of the 1st half ...... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fkE7OVc8Rw https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/i...AXu2DNfcReEw&s o |
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So, now the couching of this buillshit is he will now grow by sitting behind Flacco, that that is where he is at in the developmental timeline. Man---- every fucking one of you motherfuckers that wear the official Colts gear that you don't pay for but instead it is given to you as part of being a member of the organization---- EVERY SINGLE ONE OF YOU CAN STRAIGHT FUCK OFF!!!! He was ready last year, in fact he was ready from day 1. He was ready this fucking year on day fucking 1. But now, nah, AR is best suited to watch and learn. So if he isn't ready, then Ballard isn't fucking ready! Fucking send that punk ass motherfucker packing--- SHIT CAN HIM! EAT SOME TURDS! Ballard, Steichen, Jim, the whole lot of the scouting team, every last fucking one of you---- FUCK OFF! Do the right thing- ship AR today, send him somewhere right fucking now. That way, when Flacco goes down, the ball goes back to Ehlinger and we just repeat the cycle of insanity. After this, absofucking lutely no motherfucking way you can ask AR to take that field again as a Colt. FUCK THIS FRANCHISE! |
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Smith did not get smoked by Hunter. He was 13 yards upfield. You're acting like he turned the corner on Smith and crashing the pocket. 13 yards and he sees AR heading for the sideline so he stays lateral and runs away from Smith. And Nelson didn't get schooled, either. What the fuck are you talking about? If anything, Raimann was the one to blame. Nelson's got no one on him, so he helps Kelly who is solo on Autry. He does that kind of shit all the time. Now we want him to just sit there and watch? You're fixated on him being off balance or something... Yeah, dude helps inside and at the exact same moment, Anderson comes flying laterally across the line from the slot and he tries to reach him. Again, he's flying across laterally because AR is gone. It's a Hail Mary for God's sake, it's not going to be the prettiest play, by default. You can run away and launch it quick, or you're likely going to have to dance a little and use your blockers. Look at the Aaron Rodgers Lions HM. If he keeps drifting left, he's dead or he has to launch it quick. He cuts back towards the defender so his blockers can take them. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0vVqStvh_8&t=17s I'm going to keep watching the tape on AR's "best day throwing." |
Jimmy King and Nate Atkins talking.
Atkins would not say this is an Irsay call though he did say the situation here has shifted, somewhere they have determined this is a win now team. Whoever they is, or the individual that is viewing this team as a win now team and thus forcing this decision, that person or people, need to be terminated and never allowed to be involved in football again at any level. This an absolutely everything possible goes perfect- make it in as a WC and get bounced in game 1 team. Presumptively this IS Jim. He has to be feeling the heat of a fan base blood thirsty for the playoffs and is forcing this to appease them- has to be. Can't be Ballard- he himself has already said if AR goes bust, he won't get a chance to pick the next one, so he has to be against this since he will almost certainly lose his job because of this. I don't see it being Steichen. While I have grown to question his coaching, I struggle to think a guy this close to it, who is with this group for every damn rep, would delude himself to believe that Flacco suddenly makes this team a contender. If he does think that, wow, he might be THAT bad at this thing! So if it is Jim and he is just pig headed that we need to make the PO's, sadly to me this is badly misreading the room. Sure there are those that are in the we need to win right now group, but to me they are a minority. The overwhelming majority of the fans would much rather see a team with AR out there trying to get better and making crazy episodic highlights even if we suck. This fan base DOES NOT want to be a mid team that just muddles on the same mediocre treadmill- which is exactly what this move almost certainly re-creates. That's not intended to knock Flacco, he has proven to be a great fill in QB. It's more a reflection of the fans being able to see the future and not liking it. And if that is true, fuck, scary that the fans would have more foresight than the owner, but ultimately maybe that is the case. |
If this was a win now team it should have been a win now team during the offseason (it wasn’t) and it should have been a win now team before they were 3 games back in the division (it wasn’t). They have never been a win now team under Ballard, yet for some reason now they supposedly are? I’m not sure they could mismanage this shit any more if they had tried.
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Also heard JMV said he’s heard that AR shows up late for meetings and his work ethic factored into the decision
Also saying he was hurt on the play and gave that answer in the presser to avoid the injury prone stuff |
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