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Puck 04-13-2023 09:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 263524)
If Carolina goes Young, things might get crazy. There seems to be bad blood between Stroud’s agent and Houston. And everyone has talked about the Colts and Carolina but there hasn’t been much said about Houston.
Pretty sure Young and Stroud have the same agent

Chromeburn 04-13-2023 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Puck (Post 263543)
Pretty sure Young and Stroud have the same agent
I think Young signed with CAA. Could be wrong though.

Stroud signed with David Mulugheta who also represents Watson. He used to be with Athletes First.

Chromeburn 04-13-2023 01:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 263383)
I haven't seen anything on Stroud or Richardson yet.
Update on S2 scores. Young, Levis and Richardson all scored above 90%.

Young and Levis apparently have the same score at 93. So Young is actually tied for the highest.

https://twitter.com/zachhicks2/statu...L8ardaxv32vrGQ

Lov2fish 04-13-2023 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 263568)
Update on S2 scores. Young, Levis and Richardson all scored above 90%.

Young and Levis apparently have the same score at 93. So Young is actually tied for the highest.

https://twitter.com/zachhicks2/statu...L8ardaxv32vrGQ
I have seen a few places (Twitter) that Stroud did not do well at all on the S2 This would explain a lot in his lower completion percentage when being pressured. He doesn't process it fast enough. Just spitball'n and sure Dam will figure out someway to say those NFL guys have no clue what they are talking about.

YDFL Commish 04-13-2023 05:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Lov2fish (Post 263585)
I have seen a few places (Twitter) that Stroud did not do well at all on the S2 This would explain a lot in his lower completion percentage when being pressured. He doesn't process it fast enough. Just spitball'n and sure Dam will figure out someway to say those NFL guys have no clue what they are talking about.
Apparently they don't. Dammy claims that Stroud had terrible LT play last season, but yet Paris Johnson is largely expected to be the 1st OT off the board?

ChaosTheory 04-13-2023 06:21 PM
Interesting week for Stroud. He's the frontrunner for #1 and then out of nowhere he's not coachable and can't process.

Absolutely no telling how this plays out. There's no runaway leader so it's going to come down to the stuff we can't know (e.g. interviews).

Ironshaft 04-13-2023 08:29 PM
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Originally Posted by ChaosTheory (Post 263597)
Interesting week for Stroud. He's the frontrunner for #1 and then out of nowhere he's not coachable and can't process.

Absolutely no telling how this plays out. There's no runaway leader so it's going to come down to the stuff we can't know (e.g. interviews).
At this point, I know two things:

A. Everyone, and I mean everyone, is throwing as many smoke bombs as they can to try and obscure what they really want out of the draft.

B. It will not shock me to see any of those 4 QBs end up going in any of the spots QB1 through QB4 off the board.

I would be suprised to see Levis off the board #1 but that is it. Not shocked, just surprised. For all we know, Reich is in love with Levis.

Seeing any of the other 3 off the board at #1 and #2? Ehhh, par for the course.

Dam8610 04-13-2023 09:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Lov2fish (Post 263585)
I have seen a few places (Twitter) that Stroud did not do well at all on the S2 This would explain a lot in his lower completion percentage when being pressured. He doesn't process it fast enough. Just spitball'n and sure Dam will figure out someway to say those NFL guys have no clue what they are talking about.
Got an actual tweet, or are you blowing smoke here?

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Originally Posted by YDFL Commish (Post 263591)
Apparently they don't. Dammy claims that Stroud had terrible LT play last season, but yet Paris Johnson is largely expected to be the 1st OT off the board?
You have Skoronski as a Guard and Broderick Jones as non-existent? He's 21 and has rare athleticism for his size, that's why Paris Johnson is getting drafted high. You can't teach the tools he has. We saw Bernhard Raimann in his 3rd season of football at any level go from bad to above average because of similar tools, and he was a 25 year old rookie. Paris Johnson's not getting drafted that high on his tape, as Stroud did face a ton of blindside pressure.

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Originally Posted by ChaosTheory (Post 263597)
Interesting week for Stroud. He's the frontrunner for #1 and then out of nowhere he's not coachable and can't process.

Absolutely no telling how this plays out. There's no runaway leader so it's going to come down to the stuff we can't know (e.g. interviews).
All of the recent leaks about Stroud seem like some team is trying to get him to fall.

All of the recent leaks about Levis seem geared toward some team eventually justifying their pick.

It does seem like Stroud dropping to 4 is possible now. That's a positive change for the Colts.

JAFF 04-13-2023 09:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 263604)
Got an actual tweet, or are you blowing smoke here?



You have Skoronski as a Guard and Broderick Jones as non-existent? He's 21 and has rare athleticism for his size, that's why Paris Johnson is getting drafted high. You can't teach the tools he has. We saw Bernhard Raimann in his 3rd season of football at any level go from bad to above average because of similar tools, and he was a 25 year old rookie. Paris Johnson's not getting drafted that high on his tape, as Stroud did face a ton of blindside pressure.



All of the recent leaks about Stroud seem like some team is trying to get him to fall.

All of the recent leaks about Levis seem geared toward some team eventually justifying their pick.

It does seem like Stroud dropping to 4 is possible now. That's a positive change for the Colts.
And professional coaches and scouts will be fooled by “gossip”?

Dam8610 04-14-2023 12:33 AM
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Originally Posted by JAFF (Post 263605)
And professional coaches and scouts will be fooled by “gossip”?
If it never worked, teams wouldn't bother doing it. The misinformation and smokescreens have to work on some level, otherwise they wouldn't happen.

One famous example of misinformation working in a team's favor was Antonio Gates going to the Chargers. Gates worked out for all 32 teams, but only the Chargers knew he was injured while doing the workout. That was why they were able to acquire him as a UDFA.

CletusPyle 04-14-2023 07:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 263609)
If it never worked, teams wouldn't bother doing it. The misinformation and smokescreens have to work on some level, otherwise they wouldn't happen.

One famous example of misinformation working in a team's favor was Antonio Gates going to the Chargers. Gates worked out for all 32 teams, but only the Chargers knew he was injured while doing the workout. That was why they were able to acquire him as a UDFA.
I think there is some truth to your comment, if it never worked teams wouldn't do it. The pressure to make the right decision is so intense that if any doubt can be created it could cause people to second guess themselves.

One of these guys, maybe even two, are going to be a star in the league for many years, they all have the physical skills but all of them have a lot to learn and all of them need to have great players around them to be successful. Matthew Stafford is a good example, great QB for years on a team that lacked talent, then he goes to the Rams and wins a SB in his first year!

I know Stafford had Calvin Johnson in Detroit, but overall the team lacked the talent in other key areas and it prevented a great QB from reaching his full potential.

Lov2fish 04-14-2023 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 263604)
Got an actual tweet, or are you blowing smoke here?
Dude, go to Twitter and see Stroud trending, or hit the search function. Be warned, they are gonna strip the shine off your new fixation!

Dam8610 04-14-2023 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Lov2fish (Post 263627)
Dude, go to Twitter and see Stroud trending, or hit the search function. Be warned, they are gonna strip the shine off your new fixation!
If Stroud scored low, which all we'll ever have to judge it on are unofficial reports, that doesn't match his tape. Will Levis scoring a 93 doesn't match his tape, either, nor does Richardson scoring in the 90s. Bryce Young scoring a 98 matches his tape. If he was 6'3" 220 he'd be considered the best QB prospect since Luck.

Lov2fish 04-14-2023 07:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 263633)
If Stroud scored low, which all we'll ever have to judge it on are unofficial reports, that doesn't match his tape. Will Levis scoring a 93 doesn't match his tape, either, nor does Richardson scoring in the 90s. Bryce Young scoring a 98 matches his tape. If he was 6'3" 220 he'd be considered the best QB prospect since Luck.
If he was 6'3" and 220 I would be all about trading up to 1.

Chromeburn 04-14-2023 08:29 PM
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Originally Posted by ChaosTheory (Post 263597)
Interesting week for Stroud. He's the frontrunner for #1 and then out of nowhere he's not coachable and can't process.

Absolutely no telling how this plays out. There's no runaway leader so it's going to come down to the stuff we can't know (e.g. interviews).
Vegas has Young going first now. Rumors Houston will go defense. Stroud in for a top 30 with the colts. Never know how the draft is going to go. Had guys arguing with me two weeks ago that Stroud and Young were going 1-2 and the Colts were stupid to even look at them.

I’m starting to think the Colts want a running QB though. I think it will come down to a decision b/w Levis and Richardson. I think it was always those two, why Ballard was nonchalant about moving up.

Dam8610 04-14-2023 09:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 263651)
Vegas has Young going first now. Rumors Houston will go defense. Stroud in for a top 30 with the colts. Never know how the draft is going to go. Had guys arguing with me two weeks ago that Stroud and Young were going 1-2 and the Colts were stupid to even look at them.

I’m starting to think the Colts want a running QB though. I think it will come down to a decision b/w Levis and Richardson. I think it was always those two, why Ballard was nonchalant about moving up.

I think they had resolved themselves to be okay with Levis or Richardson. It would be rather shocking to see them take either of the low floor high ceiling guys (Richardson, Levis) over one of the high floor high ceiling guys (Stroud, Young).

Butter 04-14-2023 10:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 263609)

One famous example of misinformation working in a team's favor was Antonio Gates going to the Chargers. Gates worked out for all 32 teams, but only the Chargers knew he was injured while doing the workout. That was why they were able to acquire him as a UDFA.
That is not the same at all and not comparable to rumors driving decisions. Hell, that is not even misinformation, it is a lack of information on the other 31 teams.

Chromeburn 04-15-2023 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 263654)
I think they had resolved themselves to be okay with Levis or Richardson. It would be rather shocking to see them take either of the low floor high ceiling guys (Richardson, Levis) over one of the high floor high ceiling guys (Stroud, Young).
I think they believe in Steichen’s ability to develop. I wonder if Stroud would be open to running more in an RPO roll. Steichen wants those explosive plays with multiple running threats bringing that safety down then throwing deep on single high coverage.

Dam8610 04-15-2023 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Butter (Post 263657)
That is not the same at all and not comparable to rumors driving decisions. Hell, that is not even misinformation, it is a lack of information on the other 31 teams.
The misinformation was that Gates was healthy at the pro day, which caused no one to draft him. There were teams considering drafting him that year.

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Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 263665)
I think they believe in Steichen’s ability to develop. I wonder if Stroud would be open to running more in an RPO roll. Steichen wants those explosive plays with multiple running threats bringing that safety down then throwing deep on single high coverage.
Stroud used his legs when he had to and put up 41 points on a team that averaged 10.9 points allowed in its other 14 games, and put his team in position to win the game 44-42 had the kicker not shanked the field goal attempt into the Atlantic Ocean. On the final drive to get them in FG range he had 2 or 3 crucial 1st down converting runs. It's not a thing he's done often because why would you when your WRs are Garrett Wilson, Chris Olave, Jaxson Smith-Njigba, Marvin Harrison Jr., and Emeka Egbuka?

IndyNorm 04-15-2023 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 263633)
If Stroud scored low, which all we'll ever have to judge it on are unofficial reports, that doesn't match his tape. Will Levis scoring a 93 doesn't match his tape, either, nor does Richardson scoring in the 90s. Bryce Young scoring a 98 matches his tape. If he was 6'3" 220 he'd be considered the best QB prospect since Luck.
Agreed. If there's a test that shows Levis is better than Stroud at anything then it's obviously total BS and should be discarded from the player evaluations.

Dam8610 04-15-2023 03:04 PM
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Originally Posted by IndyNorm (Post 263671)
Agreed. If there's a test that shows Levis is better than Stroud at anything then it's obviously total BS and should be discarded from the player evaluations.
I didn't say anything remotely close to that, I was comparing the data we have on scores to how the QB in question played on tape. Are you really going to try to argue that Will Levis with his 26 turnovers and a less than 2:1 TD-INT ratio in the last 2 seasons was a better decision maker based solely on film than the CJ Stroud, who torched the #1 defense in college football for 41 points and had a 7:1 TD-INT ratio over the last 2 seasons? You can, I guess, it's just a really baseless argument.

Chromeburn 04-15-2023 08:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 263668)
The misinformation was that Gates was healthy at the pro day, which caused no one to draft him. There were teams considering drafting him that year.



Stroud used his legs when he had to and put up 41 points on a team that averaged 10.9 points allowed in its other 14 games, and put his team in position to win the game 44-42 had the kicker not shanked the field goal attempt into the Atlantic Ocean. On the final drive to get them in FG range he had 2 or 3 crucial 1st down converting runs. It's not a thing he's done often because why would you when your WRs are Garrett Wilson, Chris Olave, Jaxson Smith-Njigba, Marvin Harrison Jr., and Emeka Egbuka?
Yes, I watched the championship game.

But he likes to stay in the pocket. Would he be open to running more in designed plays? Would he like to play in that system? They are probably finding that out now on his visit.

Incidentally, Lance Zierling has some connections to Houston, he got both their first round picks correct last year. He says they are split between Anderson and Stroud. That Anderson has a perfect score for them. It will likely come down to ownership who has the say on a QB or not.

IndyNorm 04-15-2023 09:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 263674)
I didn't say anything remotely close to that, I was comparing the data we have on scores to how the QB in question played on tape. Are you really going to try to argue that Will Levis with his 26 turnovers and a less than 2:1 TD-INT ratio in the last 2 seasons was a better decision maker based solely on film than the CJ Stroud, who torched the #1 defense in college football for 41 points and had a 7:1 TD-INT ratio over the last 2 seasons? You can, I guess, it's just a really baseless argument.
Why are your panties all in a bunch? I agreed with you.

Dam8610 04-15-2023 09:37 PM
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Originally Posted by IndyNorm (Post 263683)
Why are your panties all in a punch? I agreed with you.
Your message came off as very facetious (I may have read it incorrectly) and said a thing I don't even agree with. Your claim, as I read it, was essentially that Levis can't be better at anything than Stroud. Levis certainly has the stronger arm of the two. In the context of only referring to decision making, I can see how that would be a non-facetious agreement.

CletusPyle 04-16-2023 08:32 AM
It will be interesting to see how well Stroud plays behind a bottom 5 offensive line in Houston...certainly won't be what he is use to at Ohio State!

Dam8610 04-16-2023 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by CletusPyle (Post 263693)
It will be interesting to see how well Stroud plays behind a bottom 5 offensive line in Houston...certainly won't be what he is use to at Ohio State!
They seem to be set on passing on him. Hopefully they maintain that resolve.

Dewey 5 04-16-2023 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 263681)
Yes, I watched the championship game.

But he likes to stay in the pocket. Would he be open to running more in designed plays? Would he like to play in that system? They are probably finding that out now on his visit.

Incidentally, Lance Zierling has some connections to Houston, he got both their first round picks correct last year. He says they are split between Anderson and Stroud. That Anderson has a perfect score for them. It will likely come down to ownership who has the say on a QB or not.
Texans should take Anderson. He is the best football player in this draft & they will easily be in position next year for either Caleb Williams or Drake Maye & both those guys are way, way better than any qb in this draft.

Racehorse 04-16-2023 06:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Dewey 5 (Post 263703)
Texans should take Anderson. He is the best football player in this draft & they will easily be in position next year for either Caleb Williams or Drake Maye & both those guys are way, way better than any qb in this draft.
This is why I hope the Colts get a shot at Anderson.

CletusPyle 04-16-2023 06:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 263700)
They seem to be set on passing on him. Hopefully they maintain that resolve.
Yes, I have seen those rumors...I don't buy it, I think they will take Stroud or Young, whichever one the Panthers pass on. Now I am seeing rumors that the Lions are going to trade up to #3 and take Richardson, leaving the Colts to take Levis. It would be the first time the first 4 picks are all QBs?

ukcolt 04-17-2023 07:05 AM
Anderson is not the best player after the QB's in my opinion, that's either Carter or Tyree Wilson, in terms of who is going to be taken with the 3rd pick. The best player in this draft is likely to be Bijan Robinson the RB from Texas, but the chances of him being taken that high are very slim.

Dam8610 04-17-2023 08:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Dewey 5 (Post 263703)
Texans should take Anderson. He is the best football player in this draft & they will easily be in position next year for either Caleb Williams or Drake Maye & both those guys are way, way better than any qb in this draft.
That's what's almost always said about the next QB draft class. It's certainly what was said about this year's QB draft class last year.

Chromeburn 04-17-2023 01:45 PM
The Manning’s are doing a four episode show for ESPN on the four QB prospects this year.

https://espnpressroom.com/us/press-r...nday-april-10/

If you miss an episode, you can catch it on ESPN+. Will Levis will be tonight Monday the 17th and Anthony Richardson will be next Monday.

Chromeburn 04-17-2023 01:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 263715)
That's what's almost always said about the next QB draft class. It's certainly what was said about this year's QB draft class last year.
And they were right.

Last years class was crap. This one is better. Next years top two prospects are better than this years. Plus there will be a host of potential QBs that could have a good year and move into that top tier or be first round picks.

apballin 04-17-2023 06:01 PM
Another thing that hasn’t been touched on… Stroud didn’t call his own plays. Can’t look to the sidelines to get the play in the NFL. These dudes are all flawed

Chromeburn 04-17-2023 08:28 PM
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Originally Posted by apballin (Post 263775)
Another thing that hasn’t been touched on… Stroud didn’t call his own plays. Can’t look to the sidelines to get the play in the NFL. These dudes are all flawed
Levis called plays from the huddle. And speaking of Levis new rumor is Houston will now choose between Levis and Anderson. Stroud is out.

https://youtu.be/iP-v5TSTEAU

CletusPyle 04-18-2023 07:51 AM
The first hour of this draft is going to be must watch TV...I'm hearing the Lions are not all in for Goff and they are eyeing that third pick!:eek::D

After listening to that entire McAfee video I am convinced that it is probably the Cardinals stirring the Stroud soup hoping to make their #3 pick more valuable!

JAFF 04-18-2023 08:17 AM
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Originally Posted by apballin (Post 263775)
Another thing that hasn’t been touched on… Stroud didn’t call his own plays. Can’t look to the sidelines to get the play in the NFL. These dudes are all flawed
Didnt the Colts former HC get hired due to his play calling ability? Doesnt the next play come to an nfl quarterback by radio?

Dam8610 04-18-2023 08:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 263747)
And they were right.

Last years class was crap. This one is better. Next years top two prospects are better than this years. Plus there will be a host of potential QBs that could have a good year and move into that top tier or be first round picks.
Last year they were right, sure. I think Young and Stroud at least lived up to the hype, but they're doing it again this year, and I don't necessarily buy next year's class being so good compared to this one that it's like last year where it's worth waiting another year.

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Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 263779)
Levis called plays from the huddle. And speaking of Levis new rumor is Houston will now choose between Levis and Anderson. Stroud is out.

https://youtu.be/iP-v5TSTEAU
I saw a mock draft that a Texans fan described as their nightmare in the comments. In it, the Texans drafted Will Anderson at 2 and Will Levis at 12, while the Colts grabbed CJ Stroud at 4. I'm desperately hoping for that Texans fan's nightmare to become reality.

Lov2fish 04-18-2023 01:11 PM
Peyton Manning says Will Levis is genetically designed to be an NFL QB. Sorry, Dammy, your observation does not get more clout than Peyton.

Dam8610 04-18-2023 02:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Lov2fish (Post 263815)
Peyton Manning says Will Levis is genetically designed to be an NFL QB. Sorry, Dammy, your observation does not get more clout than Peyton.
I'm sure he had something nice to say about all 4 QBs.


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