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Lov2fish 04-12-2022 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by rm1369 (Post 228593)
Please your pussy is so sensitive you can’t acknowledge race has a bearing in Kap not playing football, yet others are fragile. Fuck off snowflake

Awe, ain't you a special retard there was no racism involved in him not playing. It was because he sucked. Have you tried fucking off today? If not it would be a good day to give it your best effort. Fucking douchebags like you are what makes the world suck.

rm1369 04-12-2022 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoopsdoc (Post 228623)
We went through why players tend to get second chances already in this thread. It has more to do with how talented you are than anything. That’s reality, regardless of your opinion.

And again, the league went out of their way to set up a second chance for Kap and he blew it off. Why won’t you address that?

Could Kap have overcome it by being a top 5 QB in the league? Of course! No one is arguing he wouldn’t have. The point is how big the black mark was for his kneeling. It is absolutely bigger than what other players have faced for domestic violence. There is no logical argument that Kap was not good enough to play. None. The NFL settlement (before discovery I believe) certainly appears to show the NFL knew they couldn’t defend it based on performance of Kap simply wanting too much money.

People bring up Kap opting out of his contract but he was told he didn’t fit Shanahans offense and waould be released. So he opted out. He then went unsigned with at least as good a pedigree as the now twice traded Wentz. The 2nd chance was setup by then NFL (pretty unusual right) after he had settled with them for black balling him. One of the major sticking points was that the workout wasn’t public and it was also on a Saturday- a pretty weird day in the NFL schedule for such an event. My guess is he thought it was all bullshit and was private so the NFL could say he sucked and no one could counter it. I’d bet there was very little trust there. Should he have went through with it? I have no idea, but the whole circumstance from the settlement to the special workout on a Saturday in season tells me it wasn’t a typical situation. Not to mention this is now 3 years after being out of the league, so what is the defense for the years prior to the very, very strange workout?

Spike 04-12-2022 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by rm1369 (Post 228582)
Make no mistake about it, Kap would still be in the league if he had never kneeled. If you don’t believe that you are lying to yourself. He committed the ultimate sin to a large portion of the NFL base. He’d have been better to brag about grabbing women by the pussy or beating them. That’s forgivable.

Yeah, some people are always making excuses as to why someone is not allowed an opportunity, although Kaep was allowed an opportunity and blew it off. Kneeling and/or racism are not the reasons Kaep is no longer employed. It's the same reason Tebow is no longer in the NFL, they aren't worth a shit as QB's, it's as simple as that.

Spike 04-12-2022 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by rm1369 (Post 228626)
Could Kap have overcome it by being a top 5 QB in the league? Of course! No one is arguing he wouldn’t have. The point is how big the black mark was for his kneeling. It is absolutely bigger than what other players have faced for domestic violence. There is no logical argument that Kap was not good enough to play. None. The NFL settlement (before discovery I believe) certainly appears to show the NFL knew they couldn’t defend it based on performance of Kap simply wanting too much money.

People bring up Kap opting out of his contract but he was told he didn’t fit Shanahans offense and waould be released. So he opted out. He then went unsigned with at least as good a pedigree as the now twice traded Wentz. The 2nd chance was setup by then NFL (pretty unusual right) after he had settled with them for black balling him. One of the major sticking points was that the workout wasn’t public and it was also on a Saturday- a pretty weird day in the NFL schedule for such an event. My guess is he thought it was all bullshit and was private so the NFL could say he sucked and no one could counter it. I’d bet there was very little trust there. Should he have went through with it? I have no idea, but the whole circumstance from the settlement to the special workout on a Saturday in season tells me it wasn’t a typical situation. Not to mention this is now 3 years after being out of the league, so what is the defense for the years prior to the very, very strange workout?

Again with the excuses. Big fucking deal that it was on a Saturday, what the hell difference does that make. You want to be back in the NFL, show the fuck up. Bitch about how unfair it was later, at least you might have an argument there.

rm1369 04-12-2022 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Spike (Post 228631)
Yeah, some people are always making excuses as to why someone is not allowed an opportunity, although Kaep was allowed an opportunity and blew it off. Kneeling and/or racism are not the reasons Kaep is no longer employed. It's the same reason Tebow is no longer in the NFL, they aren't worth a shit as QB's, it's as simple as that.

Ignore that it was several years later and after a $10m settlement. Why the gap and the settlement if it is all on Kap?

rm1369 04-12-2022 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Lov2fish (Post 228625)
Awe, ain't you a special retard there was no racism involved in him not playing. It was because he sucked. Have you tried fucking off today? If not it would be a good day to give it your best effort. Fucking douchebags like you are what makes the world suck.

Aww a snowflake needs a hug. You sound very triggered

rm1369 04-12-2022 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Spike (Post 228632)
Again with the excuses. Big fucking deal that it was on a Saturday, what the hell difference does that make. You want to be back in the NFL, show the fuck up. Bitch about how unfair it was later, at least you might have an argument there.

You think NFL teams were sending decision makers on a Saturday during the season? I don’t. Looks very much like a “show”. Again, maybe Kap should have went. But if this is all on him why did he not get signed in the years prior, why did the NFL give him $10m, and why did the setup a special tryout? You want so bad to blame it all on Kap you can’t see the obvious.

Hoopsdoc 04-12-2022 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by rm1369 (Post 228626)
Could Kap have overcome it by being a top 5 QB in the league? Of course! No one is arguing he wouldn’t have. The point is how big the black mark was for his kneeling. It is absolutely bigger than what other players have faced for domestic violence. There is no logical argument that Kap was not good enough to play. None. The NFL settlement (before discovery I believe) certainly appears to show the NFL knew they couldn’t defend it based on performance of Kap simply wanting too much money.

People bring up Kap opting out of his contract but he was told he didn’t fit Shanahans offense and waould be released. So he opted out. He then went unsigned with at least as good a pedigree as the now twice traded Wentz. The 2nd chance was setup by then NFL (pretty unusual right) after he had settled with them for black balling him. One of the major sticking points was that the workout wasn’t public and it was also on a Saturday- a pretty weird day in the NFL schedule for such an event. My guess is he thought it was all bullshit and was private so the NFL could say he sucked and no one could counter it. I’d bet there was very little trust there. Should he have went through with it? I have no idea, but the whole circumstance from the settlement to the special workout on a Saturday in season tells me it wasn’t a typical situation. Not to mention this is now 3 years after being out of the league, so what is the defense for the years prior to the very, very strange workout?

What a bunch of horseshit. That reads like a bunch of half assed excuses. An opportunity was created SPECIFICALLY FOR HIM and he blew it off.

And he didn’t raise any objections right away, which he should have done. He waited until the DAY OF THE ACTUAL WORKOUT to complain and make demands.

Those aren’t the actions of someone who is genuine with their intentions, no matter how you try to paint them.

Spike 04-12-2022 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by rm1369 (Post 228635)
You think NFL teams were sending decision makers on a Saturday during the season? I don’t. Looks very much like a “show”. Again, maybe Kap should have went. But if this is all on him why did he not get signed in the years prior, why did the NFL give him $10m, and why did the setup a special tryout? You want so bad to blame it all on Kap you can’t see the obvious.

Yes, he should have definitely went. You don't think the fact that he didn't show up pissed off a lot of teams. They don't have time for his nonsense especially since he isn't good enough for it. Look, playing in the NFL is a privilege, not a right. Mahomes, Wilson, L. Jackson, even Watson would still be in the NFL even if they did the same damn things Kaep did. That is just a fact.

If I recall correctly Eric Reid still was employed through the 2021 season and he also knelt with Kaep.

rm1369 04-12-2022 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoopsdoc (Post 228636)
What a bunch of horseshit. That reads like a bunch of half assed excuses. An opportunity was created SPECIFICALLY FOR HIM and he blew it off.

And he didn’t raise any objections right away, which he should have done. He waited until the DAY OF THE ACTUAL WORKOUT to complain and make demands.

Those aren’t the actions of someone who is genuine with their intentions, no matter how you try to paint them.

You are right the NFL did nothing wrong so much that they gave Kap $10m and setup a special showing just for him. Very, very nice people. Didn’t you earlier admit he just wasn’t talented enough to overcome the backlash a team would get for signing him?

rm1369 04-12-2022 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Spike (Post 228638)
Yes, he should have definitely went. You don't think the fact that he didn't show up pissed off a lot of teams. They don't have time for his nonsense especially since he isn't good enough for it. Look, playing in the NFL is a privilege, not a right. Mahomes, Wilson, L. Jackson, even Watson would still be in the NFL even if they did the same damn things Kaep did. That is just a fact.

If I recall correctly Eric Reid still was employed through the 2021 season and he also knelt with Kaep.

Did it piss teams off yes? So did kneeling, and so did suing them. You are right if he was a top 5 or 10 QB he’d still be in the league. He wasn’t. But if you don’t think he was good enough to earn a spot on a roster in 2017 or 2018 (before the missed “workout” you keep hanging it on) then you are simply lying to yourself. The fact is if half the US population wasn’t pissed at him and the president of the United States wasn’t calling him a “son of a bitch” then Kap would have played. He became the face of “not knowing your place” in right wing politics and that’s why he didn’t play. He’d have been better off to beat a woman than to kneel, god knows Republicans wouldn’t have cared about that.

Spike 04-12-2022 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by rm1369 (Post 228645)
Did it piss teams off yes? So did kneeling, and so did suing them. You are right if he was a top 5 or 10 QB he’d still be in the league. He wasn’t. But if you don’t think he was good enough to earn a spot on a roster in 2017 or 2018 (before the missed “workout” you keep hanging it on) then you are simply lying to yourself. The fact is if half the US population wasn’t pissed at him and the president of the United States wasn’t calling him a “son of a bitch” then Kap would have played. He became the face of “not knowing your place” in right wing politics and that’s why he didn’t play. He’d have been better off to beat a woman than to kneel, god knows Republicans wouldn’t have cared about that.

Republicans wouldn't have cared about beating women? Yeah, all republicans are evil racist bastards! Where the hell are you getting this garbage from? SMDH!

Lov2fish 04-12-2022 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by rm1369 (Post 228634)
Aww a snowflake needs a hug. You sound very triggered

I don't have triggers sugar britches.

rm1369 04-12-2022 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Spike (Post 228648)
Republicans wouldn't have cared about beating women? Yeah, all republicans are evil racist bastards! Where the hell are you getting this garbage from? SMDH!

Mostly from interacting with them (I know plenty of them, including family) and paying attention to their politicians. You’ll notice I didn’t say conservatives. There can be a difference. One that is widening daily. But I think it’s pretty damn obvious they wouldn’t have reacted the way the did to Kap kneeling. Proof? Don’t see them protesting Watson or Hill do you? And do you want to talk about Herschel Walker’s history and current Senate bid? How about Trump?

Racehorse 04-12-2022 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by rm1369 (Post 228592)
Yep you nailed it. Which is exactly the point of the article. In a league starving for QBs a guy that would be at worst a very good backup was essentially blacklisted by a certain demographic for the sin of high lighting racial injustices in this country. Yet that same demographic will gladly cheer for a woman beater or a pussy grabber - as long as they don’t bring up race and are “good enough”. That’s essentially the point of the article- yet the majority of the responses are on how bad Kap is as a QB, which is complete BS compared to what else is in the league. But I don’t expect much acknowledgement of that from most on here - because it makes them feel same and secure to say it isn’t about race, just performance.

He
Doesn't
want
To
Be
A
Backup!

rm1369 04-12-2022 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Racehorse (Post 228657)
He
Doesn't
want
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Be
A
Backup!

Should have been easy for the NFL to prove. I wondered why they gave him $10m?

Racehorse 04-12-2022 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by rm1369 (Post 228658)
Should have been easy for the NFL to prove. I wondered why they gave him $10m?

He was offered a backup QB spot, and turned it down.

rm1369 04-12-2022 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Racehorse (Post 228659)
He was offered a backup QB spot, and turned it down.

Where? To my knowledge that was a rumor denied by Kap and never substantiated by any team

Racehorse 04-12-2022 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by rm1369 (Post 228662)
Where? To my knowledge that was a rumor denied by Kap and never substantiated by any team

I don't recall where. It was reported a few years ago.

rm1369 04-12-2022 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Racehorse (Post 228663)
I don't recall where. It was reported a few years ago.

If true I doubt the NFL settles

Racehorse 04-12-2022 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by rm1369 (Post 228667)
If true I doubt the NFL settles

You have your opinion. I have mine. Rarely do facts matter when we discuss this issue. You believe what you want. It is a free country, after all. The stats on Kaep his last year are facts, not opinion. The circus he created with the workout is a fact, not an opinion. I could give two shits about the kneeling. Free speech is a real thing. The whole forced patriotism with professional sports is kind of creepy to me. The dude just stunk it up his last season, and then he started pretending to be a martyr.

Hoopsdoc 04-12-2022 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by rm1369 (Post 228644)
You are right the NFL did nothing wrong so much that they gave Kap $10m and setup a special showing just for him. Very, very nice people. Didn’t you earlier admit he just wasn’t talented enough to overcome the backlash a team would get for signing him?

What does the bolded have to do with my post?

And just because the NFL settled doesn’t mean they did anything wrong. Lawsuits are settled all the time for all kinds of reasons. The NFL probably figured it was best to just make it go away.

By the way, if Kap was in the right and the league really is discriminating against him, why settle the lawsuit? Why not make the NFL defend itself in court?

Kind of makes it seem like he’s only out for the almighty dollar.

Well, we KNOW that’s true. For as much as Kap whines and cries about how racist America is, he sure as hell has no issue cashing those fat Nike checks, made on the backs of slave laborers in third world countries all over the world.

Kap is a fraud. He’s intensely disliked for a lot of reasons and racism isn’t the biggest one by far.

rm1369 04-12-2022 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Racehorse (Post 228668)
You have your opinion. I have mine. Rarely do facts matter when we discuss this issue. You believe what you want. It is a free country, after all. The stats on Kaep his last year are facts, not opinion. The circus he created with the workout is a fact, not an opinion. I could give two shits about the kneeling. Free speech is a real thing. The whole forced patriotism with professional sports is kind of creepy to me. The dude just stunk it up his last season, and then he started pretending to be a martyr.

Yeah, it’s obvious facts rarely matter on the subject. Yes the stats for his last year is a fact. So is his accomplishments from previous years. But do me a favor - go compare Kap’s last season to Wentz’s last in Philly. The now twice traded, twice starting Wentz. If you think it was play that kept Kap out, you are simply lying to yourself. And as I’ve repeatedly pointed out, the workout was AFTER having been blackballed to the point the NFL settled. He also didn’t initially seek publicity, it was simply noticed and reported. And he started kneeling after meeting with a veteran who felt it was more respectful. But none of that fits the narrative- so facts don’t matter.

JAFF 04-12-2022 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Lov2fish (Post 228625)
Awe, ain't you a special retard there was no racism involved in him not playing. It was because he sucked. Have you tried fucking off today? If not it would be a good day to give it your best effort. Fucking douchebags like you are what makes the world suck.

Yeah, and you are a ray of sunshine.

Racehorse 04-13-2022 06:52 AM

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Originally Posted by rm1369 (Post 228672)
Yeah, it’s obvious facts rarely matter on the subject. Yes the stats for his last year is a fact. So is his accomplishments from previous years. But do me a favor - go compare Kap’s last season to Wentz’s last in Philly. The now twice traded, twice starting Wentz. If you think it was play that kept Kap out, you are simply lying to yourself. And as I’ve repeatedly pointed out, the workout was AFTER having been blackballed to the point the NFL settled. He also didn’t initially seek publicity, it was simply noticed and reported. And he started kneeling after meeting with a veteran who felt it was more respectful. But none of that fits the narrative- so facts don’t matter.

I truly believe that if Frank Reich was not the coach here, Wentz would be out of the league by now. It seems we were the only team interested. How Ballard was able to get Wash. to trade for him was amazing. Yes, he put up decent numbers, but he is flawed. If Kaep had someone go to bat for him and trade for him, he might still be playing (or not). However, he didn't. Wentz did.

ChaosTheory 04-13-2022 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Hoopsdoc (Post 228670)
And just because the NFL settled doesn’t mean they did anything wrong. Lawsuits are settled all the time for all kinds of reasons. The NFL probably figured it was best to just make it go away.

It would've been a Pyrrhic victory if they won anyway. Similar to how patent trolls get large parties to settle with them rather than drag out the process and cost themselves more even if they win.

It's been a while since I read, but I think they would've brought up a bunch of emails and stuff. And whether it had anything to do with the issue (any insults or dick jokes or whatever); if it was inflammatory, you know it would leak to the media or be brought up during cross examination.

So they pay the $9m or $10m. Which is a lot less than the $80m or whatever it was they wanted.

$10m - 37% tax = $6.3m
$6.3m - 30% for lawyers (IDK?) = $4.4m
$4.4m - 50% each for Kaepernick and Reid = $2.2m a piece to settle?

Lov2fish 04-13-2022 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by JAFF (Post 228673)
Yeah, and you are a ray of sunshine.

Thanks, I do my best.

JAFF 04-13-2022 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Lov2fish (Post 228692)
Thanks, I do my best.

Keep working on it and you could score a Pyrrhic victory.

Lov2fish 04-13-2022 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by JAFF (Post 228721)
Keep working on it and you could score a Pyrrhic victory.

There is no cost to high for achieving victory, especially if it involves trampling your feelz!

Colts And Orioles 05-26-2022 09:37 AM

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(MAY 25th)


Colin Kaepernick Scheduled to Work Out for Las Vegas Raiders

(By Tribune News Services)

https://www.eastbaytimes.com/2022/05...aiders-report/

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Spike 05-27-2022 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Colts And Orioles (Post 231705)
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(MAY 25th)


Colin Kaepernick Scheduled to Work Out for Las Vegas Raiders

(By Tribune News Services)

https://www.eastbaytimes.com/2022/05...aiders-report/

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LOL. Oh, I guess being a slave is ok with him now.

Colts And Orioles 01-31-2025 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Spike (Post 228568)



I did read it. Watson and Hill are damn good players, and NFL teams will always give those guys opportunities. Not saying it is the right thing, but that is what it is. Kaepernick is not a good player, therefore NFL teams don't give a rat's ass about him. ) Make no mistake about it, Kaep, even with all of his baggage would be in the NFL if he was as good as Watson or Hill, but he just fucking isn't, not even close.




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(ALMOST 3 YEARS LATER)



Worst Trade In NFL History and $230M Contract Disaster Force Cleveland Browns to Fire Another Coach

(By Brian T Smith)

https://talksport.com/nfl/2442066/nf...y-fired-coach/


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