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apballin 03-21-2022 04:00 PM

Great fuckin move Ballard got the most experienced most reliable option out there

He shows up for work and I guarantee he’ll take the layups

bigalbert 03-21-2022 04:02 PM

Our line last year didn’t protect Wentz. How they gonna protect another guy that can’t move. All this enthusiasm is just that until the oline is addressed.


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CletusPyle 03-21-2022 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 227021)
This was a master stroke. I’ve been critical of Ballard over the years. But getting what he did for Wentz then getting Ryan for a third. What a boss.

Getting what he did for Wentz was the key, there is no way he could have anticipated that, that was a gift from Washington, so I am going to hold off washing his steel balls for right now!

Chromeburn 03-21-2022 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by CletusPyle (Post 227029)
Getting what he did for Wentz was the key, there is no way he could have anticipated that, that was a gift from Washington, so I am going to hold off washing his steel balls for right now!

It’s taking advantage of badly run organizations. There is no shortage of them. I said it at the beginning of Wentz trade rumors. His athletiscm will convince some egomaniac coach and front office that they can fix him. And there is no shortage of ego’s in the NFL.

Chromeburn 03-21-2022 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by bigalbert (Post 227028)
Our line last year didn’t protect Wentz. How they gonna protect another guy that can’t move. All this enthusiasm is just that until the oline is addressed.


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LT is next on the list. But Ryan will actually read defenses and get the ball out faster. Plus he will use his underneath throws to MAC and Hines. Wentz was a highly flawed QB.

Dewey 5 03-21-2022 04:30 PM

https://mobile.twitter.com/Ihartitz/...7Ctwgr%5Etweet

Dam8610 03-21-2022 04:45 PM

Good, now go get Armstead and it's a successful offseason.

Puck 03-21-2022 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 227044)
Good, now go get Armstead and it's a successful offseason.

Have you taken a look at how much money we don't have anymore?

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/indianapolis-colts/cap/

Unless he wants to play for about 10 mil its not happening without some more contract re works

Discflinger 03-21-2022 05:34 PM

16 mil actually looks more like 12 with rookie signings. However, as late as it is in FA I think BDB can make it work.

Racehorse 03-21-2022 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by JAFF (Post 227023)
Maybe trubisky wasnt interested. You think people are just lined up to be on the colts?

I think this was sarcasm you replied to.

JAFF 03-21-2022 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Racehorse (Post 227051)
I think this was sarcasm you replied to.

Could be, I’m sarcastic on an hourly basis

smitty46953 03-21-2022 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Puck (Post 227049)
Have you taken a look at how much money we don't have anymore?

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/indianapolis-colts/cap/

Unless he wants to play for about 10 mil its not happening without some more contract re works


Kyle Rapoza
@ColtscapKyle
The Colts should have no problem at all restructuring deals of players you know you're keeping. Very low risk of dead money.
For example, restructuring Buckner, Leonard, Braden, Kelly gets you back above $40 million in cap room without even adding void years.
https://twitter.com/ColtscapKyle/sta...84189581172736



This guy is pretty good on cap stuff :cool: So it seems we have some wiggle room if Ballard elects to add some?

JAFF 03-21-2022 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by smitty46953 (Post 227059)
Kyle Rapoza
@ColtscapKyle
The Colts should have no problem at all restructuring deals of players you know you're keeping. Very low risk of dead money.
For example, restructuring Buckner, Leonard, Braden, Kelly gets you back above $40 million in cap room without even adding void years.
https://twitter.com/ColtscapKyle/sta...84189581172736



This guy is pretty good on cap stuff :cool: So it seems we have some wiggle room if Ballard elects to add some?

Monopoly money

Dam8610 03-21-2022 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Puck (Post 227049)
Have you taken a look at how much money we don't have anymore?

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/indianapolis-colts/cap/

Unless he wants to play for about 10 mil its not happening without some more contract re works

Okay, so rework deals. Getting Ryan doesn't matter if they don't have a LT to protect his blindside.

ChoppedWood 03-21-2022 06:18 PM

Glad we got Ryan over the injured angry little commercial guy. Really happy with the price tag as well.

Now he has to find a way to get several good pieces added to this squad- LT, WR, S, and TE are critical to taking advantage of this deal he just pulled off.

Lots of talk about needing to re-do deals- then do it, Ryan is absolutely a win this year QB because Tom Brady is 1 in a million- 2023 - 24 is not guaranteed (as we found out with Rivers).

smitty46953 03-21-2022 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by JAFF (Post 227060)
Monopoly money

It was always fun to be the banker, my poor brother never won. :rolleyes:

Chromeburn 03-21-2022 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 227061)
Okay, so rework deals. Getting Ryan doesn't matter if they don't have a LT to protect his blindside.

Might be drafting that guy.

Chromeburn 03-21-2022 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Chaka (Post 226997)
Here are a few tweets from Stampede Blue writer Chris Shepherd, who analyzed the film on Ryan and concluded that he's nowhere near being over the hill:

https://twitter.com/NFLscheme/status...74550889508865

https://twitter.com/NFLscheme/status...75638976520203

https://twitter.com/NFLscheme/status...24738224463878

This is why I liked Matt Ryan over the other QBs. A faster processsor with plenty of arm left. He will feast against 8-9 man boxes.

YDFL Commish 03-21-2022 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 227072)
Might be drafting that guy.

Ballard can't just draft a LT and hope he's the solution. Its win now mode.

Draft one and sign one.

IndyNorm 03-21-2022 07:09 PM

Thank god all of that bitching some of us did over the weekend (myself obviously included) made an impact. Now hopefully Ballard saw what we were saying about LT, WR, and CB.

All joking aside, great move by Ballard. Hopefully he can rework some deals as needed and bring in some more help in the key areas.

YDFL Commish 03-21-2022 07:10 PM

I gotta give Ballard a lot of credit. He traded away a complete loser and got a true winner, while at the same time winning the compensation war.

IndyNorm 03-21-2022 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by ChaosTheory (Post 226995)
Yeah, but Ballard could've had Trubisky a week ago. Instead he was just sitting on his ass doing nothing.

We'll see how it plays out, but I still think the Steelers signing Trubisky was a good low risk, high reward signing.

YDFL Commish 03-21-2022 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by IndyNorm (Post 227081)
We'll see how it plays out, but I still think the Steelers signing Trubisky was a good low risk, high reward signing.

Ill take Ryan everyday and twice on Sunday, over Trubisky.

With Trubisky, the biggest question was whether he was the problem or Nagy was the problem.

Dam8610 03-21-2022 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by IndyNorm (Post 227081)
We'll see how it plays out, but I still think the Steelers signing Trubisky was a good low risk, high reward signing.

Glad they're playing that scenario out instead of the Colts.

Oldcolt 03-21-2022 07:29 PM

The offensive line will improve just because Ryan doesn't hold on to the damn ball forever. It wouldn't surprise me if we end up with Fisher again at LT. If his price comes down I still see no reason he should make a jump in explosiveness this his second year after achilles surgery.

Reich should be able to open up the playbook with a veteran QB who can read defenses, is decisive and accurate. He will need more play makers, something that will come as no surprise to Ballard. It will be very interesting to see how Ballard goes about filling out the roster.

Brylok 03-21-2022 08:02 PM

Alright, I'll eat some crow. I bitched and complained over the weekend and now we have probably the best realistic option and fit for the team. Ballard being able to get rid of Wentz and wind up with Ryan for cheap is pretty amazing. I'll take my lumps. I've never been a big Ryan fan and I don't pay much attention to the Falcons. I still remember that God awful super bowl loss. Now let's move on and fill some holes and get him some weapons. WRs and a TE and a LT. Should be an interesting season.

Crow is gross by the way...

JAFF 03-21-2022 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Brylok (Post 227091)
Alright, I'll eat some crow. I bitched and complained over the weekend and now we have probably the best realistic option and fit for the team. Ballard being able to get rid of Wentz and wind up with Ryan for cheap is pretty amazing. I'll take my lumps. I've never been a big Ryan fan and I don't pay much attention to the Falcons. I still remember that God awful super bowl loss. Now let's move on and fill some holes and get him some weapons. WRs and a TE and a LT. Should be an interesting season.

Crow is gross by the way...

Ballard moves at his own pace, keeps his own council, and doesnt listen to pundits. This week brings back memories of fans losing their minds with Bill Polian. What was the call, “Polian do something!”

Btw, worst think about crow, its the feathers

Hoopsdoc 03-21-2022 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Brylok (Post 227091)
Alright, I'll eat some crow. I bitched and complained over the weekend and now we have probably the best realistic option and fit for the team. Ballard being able to get rid of Wentz and wind up with Ryan for cheap is pretty amazing. I'll take my lumps. I've never been a big Ryan fan and I don't pay much attention to the Falcons. I still remember that God awful super bowl loss. Now let's move on and fill some holes and get him some weapons. WRs and a TE and a LT. Should be an interesting season.

Crow is gross by the way...

I was honestly afraid we’d end up with Mariota but at the same time, I knew how good Ballard is.

This apparently has been in the works since the Falcons first looked into Watson. As soon as Ballard found out, he called Atlanta about Ryan. That’s how a pro works.

Discflinger 03-21-2022 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by IndyNorm (Post 227081)
We'll see how it plays out, but I still think the Steelers signing Trubisky was a good low risk, high reward signing.

Fhack the Stealers!

IndyNorm 03-21-2022 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by YDFL Commish (Post 227082)
Ill take Ryan everyday and twice on Sunday, over Trubisky.

With Trubisky, the biggest question was whether he was the problem or Nagy was the problem.

I never said I wouldn't, at least as long as Ryan's arm isn't shot (and I would hope that Ballard made sure of that before the trade). It's really surprising ATL was willing to trade him for so little in return considering how much dead money they were hit with. Guessing they wanted to do Ryan a solid.

Also, things going even more to shit in Chicago after running Trubisky out of town along with Daboll wanting to bring Trubisky with him to NY points to the problem being Nagy.

IndyNorm 03-21-2022 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Oldcolt (Post 227089)
The offensive line will improve just because Ryan doesn't hold on to the damn ball forever. It wouldn't surprise me if we end up with Fisher again at LT. If his price comes down I still see no reason he should make a jump in explosiveness this his second year after achilles surgery.

Reich should be able to open up the playbook with a veteran QB who can read defenses, is decisive and accurate. He will need more play makers, something that will come as no surprise to Ballard. It will be very interesting to see how Ballard goes about filling out the roster.

If we end up bringing back Fisher then that's probably fine. I just think leaving it up to Pryor/draft pick then it's not going to go well.

Discflinger 03-21-2022 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by IndyNorm (Post 227097)
I never said I wouldn't, at least as long as Ryan's arm isn't shot (and I would hope that Ballard made sure of that before the trade). It's really surprising ATL was willing to trade him for so little in return considering how much dead money they were hit with. Guessing they wanted to do Ryan a solid.

Also, things going even more to shit in Chicago after running Trubisky out of town along with Daboll wanting to bring Trubisky with him to NY points to the problem being Nagy.

Ok, fhacke the stealers!

rm1369 03-21-2022 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by IndyNorm (Post 227098)
If we end up bringing back Fisher then that's probably fine. I just think leaving it up to Pryor/draft pick then it's not going to go well.

Resigning Fisher wouldn’t be a bad move. Especially if they draft a potential long term replacement. Very possible he has a better year with full off-season work and training camp. And of course the ACL injury takes longer to fully recover from.

ChaosTheory 03-21-2022 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by rm1369 (Post 227106)
And of course the ACL injury takes longer to fully recover from.

Achilles wasn't it? Of course both used to be career-enders that guys now recover from remarkably quick.

rm1369 03-21-2022 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by ChaosTheory (Post 227109)
Achilles wasn't it? Of course both used to be career-enders that guys now recover from remarkably quick.

Thanks for the correction. Achilles injury, not ACL

Brylok 03-21-2022 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoopsdoc (Post 227094)
I was honestly afraid we’d end up with Mariota but at the same time, I knew how good Ballard is.

This apparently has been in the works since the Falcons first looked into Watson. As soon as Ballard found out, he called Atlanta about Ryan. That’s how a pro works.

I thought it would be Mariota and Ehlinger. So glad that didn't happen.

dred 03-21-2022 10:43 PM

This is pretty fricking incredible when you think about it. Best offseason moves I have seen in a long ass time.

Chromeburn 03-22-2022 04:44 AM

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Originally Posted by YDFL Commish (Post 227074)
Ballard can't just draft a LT and hope he's the solution. Its win now mode.

Draft one and sign one.

Might not have a choice. 16 million left, and they have to sign the draft class. Can’t afford a 20 million tackle. Unless they clear cap room somehow. Gonna be rookies at several spots.

albany ed 03-22-2022 06:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 227117)
Might not have a choice. 16 million left, and they have to sign the draft class. Can’t afford a 20 million tackle. Unless they clear cap room somehow. Gonna be rookies at several spots.

It's all in how the contract is structured. You can sign a 20 million dollar tackle and have the first year be very cap friendly.

Ironshaft 03-22-2022 06:59 AM

And they could restructure the contracts of their "known" keystones of the club: Leonard, Buckner. Moore, Smith, Kelly and Hines.

One analysis I saw showed we could get up to just under $50m free this season and still fit it all in future years with signing draft picks and re-signing Nelson next season.

If Ballard is "all in," cap should not be the issue.


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