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ChoppedWood 12-01-2021 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Colts And Orioles (Post 214031)
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I think that his joke was insinuating that you were the megalomaniac smart guy instead of Reich, not that you were just a fan who didn't contribute to the play on the field.

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Ahhhhh good point C&O. Flew right over my head admittedly.

Oldcolt 12-01-2021 11:08 AM

As I said previously, D'Qwell Jackson, Edge and a host of other retired players agree with me about this offense. It helps to win games if you can run when YOU want to run, not when the defense lets you run. Got a big lead and if you can run the ball regardless of what the defense wants you to do you run out the clock and demoralize the hell out of the other team. We have the line and backs to do that. What we are doing isn't working if what you want to do is win against good teams.

ChoppedWood 12-01-2021 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Oldcolt (Post 214036)
As I said previously, D'Qwell Jackson, Edge and a host of other retired players agree with me about this offense. It helps to win games if you can run when YOU want to run, not when the defense lets you run. Got a big lead and if you can run the ball regardless of what the defense wants you to do you run out the clock and demoralize the hell out of the other team. We have the line and backs to do that. What we are doing isn't working if what you want to do is win against good teams.

Spot on. So with Frank in charge, a year in / year out 9-8, 8-9, maybe get to 10 here and there. Because that's the way it is generally going to work out in the NFL, about half your games will be against good teams and about half against "bad" and as such we should expect to lose about half our games. YAY!

OldColt is right, we are 1-9 vs "good" teams, with Buffalo being the win, and we did it by demolishing their stacked box. But this week, well we couldn't even TRY that, that would have been silly.

Dacich has a spot preview running where he is yelling about being satisfied with mediocrity and how we have to overcome the opponent and Frank Reich to get wins, he is 100% with that take. With Frank in charge, Darius, Q, JT, and Pittman are going to see no hardware as great as they are.

Oldcolt 12-01-2021 12:00 PM

I am not as down on Reich as some are here. He isn't going anywhere anyway. I actually think if we had a better wide receiver set a whole lot of this would take care of itself, but we don't. Campbell may make it back late December and that could be a boost, sort of a poor man's offensive Sanders (I know he isn't in the same league as Sanders was). Hope lives but is on life support.

YDFL Commish 12-01-2021 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Oldcolt (Post 214036)
As I said previously, D'Qwell Jackson, Edge and a host of other retired players agree with me about this offense. It helps to win games if you can run when YOU want to run, not when the defense lets you run. Got a big lead and if you can run the ball regardless of what the defense wants you to do you run out the clock and demoralize the hell out of the other team. We have the line and backs to do that. What we are doing isn't working if what you want to do is win against good teams.

A 10 pt. lead with a 1/2 to play is not the time to start running clock.

Oldcolt 12-01-2021 01:17 PM

Depends on what we mean by running the clock. I am not saying go away from the pass completely, I would like to see more runs, that's all. I am not advocating running the ball 10 times in a row. I would like a more balanced attack. To me Wentz is an average QB, he isn't Unitas, Manning or even Luck. I don't like the idea of putting this team on his back game after game. I do think we can win and win big with Wentz. I liked the rhetoric that Reich/Ballard used when we signed him, he didn't need to be the whole answer just part of the team. It appears to me that we have gotten away from that a bit.

albany ed 12-01-2021 01:49 PM

What I don't understand is how a supposedly top 5 OL can be so poor in pass blocking. For the entire year, I haven't seen one game where I felt the OL did a great job in pass protection. Early on, I presumed it was because of injuries and inconsistent personnel. However, in the last 4 or so games, the line has been healthy and yet the pass blocking has not been good. As a matter of fact, I shouldn't get an argument if I said the pass blocking downright sucked. Can anyone explain it?

ChoppedWood 12-01-2021 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by albany ed (Post 214056)
What I don't understand is how a supposedly top 5 OL can be so poor in pass blocking. For the entire year, I haven't seen one game where I felt the OL did a great job in pass protection. Early on, I presumed it was because of injuries and inconsistent personnel. However, in the last 4 or so games, the line has been healthy and yet the pass blocking has not been good. As a matter of fact, I shouldn't get an argument if I said the pass blocking downright sucked. Can anyone explain it?

Agree.

To me, looks like they spend an incredible amount of time focused on RB in practice. Their timing and precision on pulls is stellar. When we go bulldozer, the cross blocks are incredibly well executed, they turn guys to the correct shoulder so much it is wild to watch in replays.

Looks like we just throw in a few pass pro's here and there to make sure they know the calls and that's it.

And it sure as hell looked like Reed was pass blocking on one of the runs where we got stuffed, which is terrible if so!

Hoopsdoc 12-01-2021 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by ChoppedWood (Post 214038)
Spot on. So with Frank in charge, a year in / year out 9-8, 8-9, maybe get to 10 here and there. Because that's the way it is generally going to work out in the NFL, about half your games will be against good teams and about half against "bad" and as such we should expect to lose about half our games. YAY!

OldColt is right, we are 1-9 vs "good" teams, with Buffalo being the win, and we did it by demolishing their stacked box. But this week, well we couldn't even TRY that, that would have been silly.

Dacich has a spot preview running where he is yelling about being satisfied with mediocrity and how we have to overcome the opponent and Frank Reich to get wins, he is 100% with that take. With Frank in charge, Darius, Q, JT, and Pittman are going to see no hardware as great as they are.

They won 11 games last year with the corpse of Philip Rivers.

I’ve said it before, they get a pass this season from me because of the way everything started. Wentz’s training camp was basically the first four games of the year, which put them behind the 8 ball.

I expect 11-13 wins minimum next year, provided Wentz stays healthy.

Oldcolt 12-01-2021 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoopsdoc (Post 214060)
They won 11 games last year with the corpse of Philip Rivers.

I’ve said it before, they get a pass this season from me because of the way everything started. Wentz’s training camp was basically the first four games of the year, which put them behind the 8 ball.

I expect 11-13 wins minimum next year, provided Wentz stays healthy.

This is a very reasonable approach to this year. Thanks. Still this year sucks.

ChoppedWood 12-01-2021 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoopsdoc (Post 214060)
They won 11 games last year with the corpse of Philip Rivers.

I’ve said it before, they get a pass this season from me because of the way everything started. Wentz’s training camp was basically the first four games of the year, which put them behind the 8 ball.

I expect 11-13 wins minimum next year, provided Wentz stays healthy.

But that's not how this works, and you know it. Next year, it will be JT with a blown knee in game 2, Pittman will lose a finger after game 5, Darius will surprisingly retire. This is the way the NFL works, it is Not For Long. We have a really good team, a team that contend right now. We have a coach that to me, can't leverage that in the moment talent because he has to be contrarian, has to tout that no one complained about his 26 straight passes because on 6 of them we averaged 7 per and that is "exceptional". What would be exceptional is having won the three games that he unquestionably played a considerable role in us losing because of his decision making process.

Man, I love aggression, I want a coach that wants to stomp the life out of the opponent. I also love seeing arcade game level offense where it seems there is no stopping the ball moving down the field (ala Manning's prime years). What I also want is a coach that recognizes what he has and how to best utilize it, which when you have this OL and THAT RB, c'mon. There is not a single cell in my body that is ever going to be convinced the best path to a W in the NFL is 26 straight passes. EVER. Don't care if it is Brady vs the 0fer Lions.

I am fully on board with Dacich when he says that Frank has no "feel" for the game. Completely agree. I think he is obsessed with #'s, I think he is infatuated with chunk plays, I think he feels a certain amount of pressure to prop up the guy he stuck his neck out for, and I think he is an obsessive control freak. These are the things I THINK, and I THINK that all those things combined find us losing games that we seemingly should have won because he can't get out of his own way.

Hoopsdoc 12-01-2021 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by ChoppedWood (Post 214062)
But that's not how this works, and you know it. Next year, it will be JT with a blown knee in game 2, Pittman will lose a finger after game 5, Darius will surprisingly retire. This is the way the NFL works, it is Not For Long. We have a really good team, a team that contend right now. We have a coach that to me, can't leverage that in the moment talent because he has to be contrarian, has to tout that no one complained about his 26 straight passes because on 6 of them we averaged 7 per and that is "exceptional". What would be exceptional is having won the three games that he unquestionably played a considerable role in us losing because of his decision making process.

Man, I love aggression, I want a coach that wants to stomp the life out of the opponent. I also love seeing arcade game level offense where it seems there is no stopping the ball moving down the field (ala Manning's prime years). What I also want is a coach that recognizes what he has and how to best utilize it, which when you have this OL and THAT RB, c'mon. There is not a single cell in my body that is ever going to be convinced the best path to a W in the NFL is 26 straight passes. EVER. Don't care if it is Brady vs the 0fer Lions.

I am fully on board with Dacich when he says that Frank has no "feel" for the game. Completely agree. I think he is obsessed with #'s, I think he is infatuated with chunk plays, I think he feels a certain amount of pressure to prop up the guy he stuck his neck out for, and I think he is an obsessive control freak. These are the things I THINK, and I THINK that all those things combined find us losing games that we seemingly should have won because he can't get out of his own way.

So, essentially, you want a Bill Belichick clone, only one who’s better on offense.

That’s not realistic. It’s just not. I know you’re frustrated but Frank, with all his warts, is still a top 10 coach in this league. He’s proven that. Wentz is his 4th starting quarterback in 4 years and he has a winning record and 2 playoff appearances in that span.

Plus, canning Frank would put us right back into qb purgatory with no reasonable way out.

Frank’s not going anywhere, nor should he.

TheMugwump 12-01-2021 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Oldcolt (Post 213972)
Great point. Even greater point is we did it your way and lost, more than once this year. Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results is...well we know what it is-a loss.

I think my response to that is that they did not lose because of the offense.

Running Taylor or not isn't making the defense suck against the mid-range pass. It's not like the Colts are scoring lightning quickly all that often(the bomb on Sunday being an exception), so the defense isn't getting worn out because they are constantly on the field. The ToP was 29.59/30:01 on Sunday.

It's the dang defense.

Racehorse 12-01-2021 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Colts And Orioles (Post 214031)
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I think that his joke was insinuating that you were the megalomaniac smart guy instead of Reich, not that you were just a fan who didn't contribute to the play on the field.

o

It should have been obvious.

Racehorse 12-01-2021 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by ChoppedWood (Post 214062)
But that's not how this works, and you know it. Next year, it will be JT with a blown knee in game 2, Pittman will lose a finger after game 5, Darius will surprisingly retire. This is the way the NFL works, it is Not For Long. We have a really good team, a team that contend right now. We have a coach that to me, can't leverage that in the moment talent because he has to be contrarian, has to tout that no one complained about his 26 straight passes because on 6 of them we averaged 7 per and that is "exceptional". What would be exceptional is having won the three games that he unquestionably played a considerable role in us losing because of his decision making process.

Man, I love aggression, I want a coach that wants to stomp the life out of the opponent. I also love seeing arcade game level offense where it seems there is no stopping the ball moving down the field (ala Manning's prime years). What I also want is a coach that recognizes what he has and how to best utilize it, which when you have this OL and THAT RB, c'mon. There is not a single cell in my body that is ever going to be convinced the best path to a W in the NFL is 26 straight passes. EVER. Don't care if it is Brady vs the 0fer Lions.

I am fully on board with Dacich when he says that Frank has no "feel" for the game. Completely agree. I think he is obsessed with #'s, I think he is infatuated with chunk plays, I think he feels a certain amount of pressure to prop up the guy he stuck his neck out for, and I think he is an obsessive control freak. These are the things I THINK, and I THINK that all those things combined find us losing games that we seemingly should have won because he can't get out of his own way.

Let me guess...you are an only child

Kray007 12-01-2021 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by ChoppedWood (Post 214062)
But that's not how this works, and you know it. Next year, it will be JT with a blown knee in game 2, Pittman will lose a finger after game 5, Darius will surprisingly retire. This is the way the NFL works, it is Not For Long. We have a really good team, a team that contend right now. We have a coach that to me, can't leverage that in the moment talent because he has to be contrarian, has to tout that no one complained about his 26 straight passes because on 6 of them we averaged 7 per and that is "exceptional". What would be exceptional is having won the three games that he unquestionably played a considerable role in us losing because of his decision making process.

Man, I love aggression, I want a coach that wants to stomp the life out of the opponent. I also love seeing arcade game level offense where it seems there is no stopping the ball moving down the field (ala Manning's prime years). What I also want is a coach that recognizes what he has and how to best utilize it, which when you have this OL and THAT RB, c'mon. There is not a single cell in my body that is ever going to be convinced the best path to a W in the NFL is 26 straight passes. EVER. Don't care if it is Brady vs the 0fer Lions.

I am fully on board with Dacich when he says that Frank has no "feel" for the game. Completely agree. I think he is obsessed with #'s, I think he is infatuated with chunk plays, I think he feels a certain amount of pressure to prop up the guy he stuck his neck out for, and I think he is an obsessive control freak. These are the things I THINK, and I THINK that all those things combined find us losing games that we seemingly should have won because he can't get out of his own way.

This isn’t the greatest show on turf, but in 6 of the last 7 games, they’ve put up more than 30 points.


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