What are the odds that Jacoby outplays Carson next week?

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This is proof week #3 in a row of abysmal play calling from Reich and co. and the third week that I am calling for Frank to relinquish his play calling duties.

-Biggest crime in this game was not feeding JT, who mostly looked really good. Like you all have said, 10 carries for our best offensive weapon is inexcusable, especially because this game was never out of hand enough to justify it.

-Wentz was okay given his limitations. He was okay in game one or two because of shitty O-line play. We will likely have excuses for this guy until we run out of excuses and he proves that he is just that guy- slow to process, choreographs his reads and body movements, plays hero ball and is VERY injury prone. He is a very, very poor timing passer and is virtually the opposite of what we had in Phillip Rivers last season. How long are we going to give Wentz a free pass until we accept that maybe he is just an average QB? For years, we watched Manning put up MVP games and numbers and production with a shit O-line, Same as Luck....Why does Carson and his fragile body/ego get a pass? This guy is clearly not good enough to overcome an average roster and may only ball out if everything around him is absolutely perfect, even his own confidence and brain. Maybe we keep him around to facilitate the Sunday Morning Mass session for Frank and the boys?

-This front office and coaching staff should have at least sat Wentz for yesterdays game....maybe even all three. We are getting half measure answers that we needed clear answers from at this point. If we like Wentz and are committing to him as the guy for the future (which is crazy given his injury tendencies) and I think we will, since we invested so much capital in him. We are NUTS not to be sitting him for a few games to rest up, practice a ton, get his timing and reads down. If there is any chance he isn't the guy (and I think its a foregone conclusion), we need to sit him for 3 games straight and get our pick back. We must. Call it bad gamesmanship, call it what you want...but this squad has proven so far that they are WAY further away from competing than we thought. We need to take drastic measures to make a quick, new rebuild with the limited assets that we have, weather we think Wentz is our 10 year plan or 2 year plan. If he's our 10 year plan, we need way more talent for him to produce and need that first rounder. If he's our 2 year plan, we need need his replacement and that first rounder to do so. The way I see it, we need that first rounder regardless and need to swiftly make decisions to plan accordingly.

Let Brady call the plays. Sit Wentz. Play Eason until he's so bad that you can cut him. Ride out the shit campaign and plan a half measure rebuild so we don't need to full on rebuild. This might require us to trade a DL or QN....I'd say lets trade Wentz but I honestly believe nobody would touch his broken ass with a 10 foot pole. I think we plan ahead with Wentz as our 2 year or longer bridge/backup QB.

And in the offseason I would VERY seriously consider pursuing ARod from the packers (even though he is a douche), who will cost us nothing but cap hit to acquire. Hell, and Devante Adams too. Let 10 players walk and suddenly we have a ton of cap space again. Your thoughts?

I am at a point where I want to trade everybody of value. JT for a first or second maybe?

I agree, sit Wentz until he's at least 100% healthy. The season is lost, I hate the idea of losing with Wentz so the Eagles can get our #1. Nobody wants Wentz, we were the only team pursuing him.

Rodgers won't come to Indy. He'll want to go to a big name market like NY Giants or Miami or Denver.

JT and Hines (if used correctly) are the only entertaining players on this team, and after all, it may be a business to management, but to me and most fans, it's entertainment.

I disagree with most of my fellow freaks. To me, this is all about who has been injured on the offensive side. Defensively we have a 20 million dollar a year linebacker who plays like a free agent rookie. Do any of you honestly think he regressed or do you think he no longer is dominant because he doesn't have mobility from an ankle injury? For the last few years our offensive line was dominant because we had three dominant players Kelly (maybe not dominant but damn good), Smith (nobody got near the qb from his side for two years) and of course Nelson. None of these guys are playing or if they are they are playing like a shell of themselves. The only legitimate (hopefully) deep threat at WR hasn't even seen the field and the quarterback is injured, which everyone seems to think is his problem, not the fact that he is getting killed by shit offensive line play due to injuries. Wentz is injury prone but Luck was just tough. Bullshit. They both got killed by their offensive lines. I'm on board with sitting Wentz until he is healthy. For me the biggest screw up has been the abysmal play of our defensive ends, Ballard has really screwed that up, doesn't appear to be able to evaluate them worth a shit. Shit season without a number one draft choice since the Colts will not sit Wentz. Reich is way overrated as a coach. Another good guy that wants love in his locker so he fires Guge because he is an asshole. An asshole that had this line playing at its best. Winning isn't the priority for this team and these guys. I say this because so many of the so called leaders are anti vaxx, considering the rules the league has put down you are putting your personal shit way before the team. This is the least likable Colt team for me in my memory. They make it way to easy not to care, unfortunately I still do.

Most of what everyone is saying is true.

However, we could easily be 2-1 if we weren't 29th in the red zone. Better play calling and a few more TD's instead of FGs/no points and none of this other stuff would matter. That what happens when you win.

Eh, I think a lot of people overrate Guge.

Even if he was renewed for another year, I doubt he would have made it past year 2.

Take a look at his coaching history.

7 of his last 8 coaching stops lasted 1 year. The 8th stop lasted 2 years.

I think that Big Q really liked him as a person but even he admitted that they didn't work on technique as much as he did in college and that his technique was starting to get sloppy by the end of the year with Guge.

I am more along these lines. Someone above mentioned "why are we giving wentz a pass?" I dont see it that way. He is playing kinda like I expected, pretty good but not great. Given some time and playmakers he would be good enough for us to compete. Not given time and playmakers, well he isnt good enough to overcome that. The situation is exacerbated by the injuries/bad play/bad play calling. If we were operating with the dominant line and running game we are used to, I think wentz would be good enough, but I never expected him to be transcendent.

The more I think about it, the more I worry about this defense. It isn't as banged up as the offense.

I was willing to let the Seattle game go, we know that Wilson is good and dangerous. And I was willing to let the Rams game go, because everyone says McVay is an offensive genius and now he has Stafford. And we were even competitive in that one. But now we've given up 25 points and looked hapless vs the Titans?

Best case scenario right now is being 5-5 after the Jags game on Nov 14. That isn't terrible. But given the schedule its hard for me to see more than 6 or 7 wins in total. Thats just terrible.

yep, I am souring on ballard's plan. I liked it initially, but it hasnt come to fruition like it should have. Whether thats lucks retirement, too much future planning, not getting enough good FA talent , a mix of all... we are no longer trending it the right direction.

We're a bottom 5 team right now. Smh

The Colt's are in year 5 of the Ballard build thru the draft team building, and I don't think its working that well !! Andrew Luck screwed this franchise really, really bad, and Ballard is compounding the effects of that screwing by fucking around with the QB position. IMHO Wentz is nothing special, and he spends a lot of time not playing. The Colt's maybe finish with 7-8 wins, no 1st round draft pick, and Wentz? as the future. Thanks Andrew.

Most of us are old enough on this board to recognize that shit happens to everyone. It destroys the weak but the strong learn to work through and with it. I do not think we can turn this around this year (meaning a deep playoff run) with all that is going on but how this team responds the rest of the year will go a long way in determining just how much of a rebuild we will be needing. I'll watch for improvements in little things this year, not exactly where my mind was a month ago.

We’re not that bad. Rams are the new Super Bowl favorite since they beat the Bucs. And we played them tough.

You either have a franchise QB, or you are looking for one. Until that is settled, we can’t move forward. I do want to see a healthy Wentz behind a healthy line though. I’m not sure how we will end yet, might hit nine wins if we get healthy.

I get that everyone needs to vent after a loss like this, but this is getting absurd. We are 3 games into a 17-game season. We have lost to three playoff teams, one of whom (the Rams) just beat the reigning champions. While I could point out that we managed to stay close to all three teams, I don’t really agree since I feel we were hanging by a thread in all three games to some extent.

Three days ago, many of you were singing Wentz’s praises, and those that weren’t were grudgingly admitting that he was playing better than expected. Since then, all the guy does is come out and play on two (TWO!) sprained ankles, and – shockingly – has a bit of a tough day. It was clear he had no mobility and was likely in pain and maybe he WAS seeing ghosts (I don’t know, though, most of those “ghosts” appeared pretty real to me) – but I don’t fault the guy for perhaps being concerned about being hit in the lower leg area given his injuries. You all saw the Donald tackle and the awkward angle Wentz’s ankle took. Sure, you can argue that Wentz shouldn’t have played at all, but the guy’s a competitor and obviously wanted to play in a key division game. The fact that we didn’t have a more reliable backup, to the extent that played into the decision, is on Ballard I’ll agree. Obviously, the Colts staff told Wentz to throw/kill the ball if he got into severe pressure, which explains some of his worst plays. The stats show that Wentz’s passing was significantly different that it was in the last two games, pre-injury.

As far for the line failures, well, I don’t know what to say. Apart from LT, I think the Colts were perfectly entitled to assume the line was in good shape and not a reason for concern. The fact that the OL has played so poorly is very disappointing. LT is on Ballard too, of course. I don’t know that the Colts knew that Fisher wasn’t going to be ready at the beginning of the season, but obviously Tevi and Davenport were the backup plan if he wasn’t. And that hasn’t worked out so well. I think Omaha’s comment about Nelson being out and nobody noticing is very interesting and is worth some significant thought. If the OL can regain any semblance of its former self, I think we'll see a much different team.

The defense has been another big disappointment. Again, apart from DE, I think it was reasonable for the Colts to think they were in good shape here. And the Colts used their 1st and 2nd picks on DEs to address this (yes, I know Odeyingbo isn’t able to play yet), so obviously they recognize the problem and are trying to address it. For those saying they should have done more, what FAs should they have signed? Top end DEs just aren’t available that way. Overall, I have to think coaching is a major issue given that these players have shown they can be effective in the past.

The idea that Ballard’s second round picks have been massive failures is unfair. Leonard, Smith and Taylor were all second round picks. Pittman was too. Yes, they’re have been many underperforming players also, but is his batting average significantly worse than other GMs in this round?

As for those who now think we should have gone a different direction at QB, who should be have brought in? Fields or Jones? Did I miss something and were they available when we picked? They are also only three games into their careers and resting the Colts future on either of their shoulders is anything but a sure thing. Both sucked pretty bad this weekend, and no guarantee they’ll get better. Again, it is very, very rare to get a quality QB in FA, and outside of the top few picks a QB in the draft is going to be a major risk and require time. The Colts were (are?) ready to compete now. Wentz was a good risk with lots of upside, and available at a discount. His contract is great too, and we can even cut bait after two years if he totally bombs, though I don’t think he will. You could argue Darnold would have been a better choice, but I doubt he would have played any better than Wentz under the circumstances as he’s less mobile. Our coaching staff knew Wentz better too.

Anyway, it’s far from the time when we should throw in the towel on the season. There are 14 more games to play. A win or two will help right the ship. And for those calling for the Colts to sit Wentz to preserve their 1st round pick, well, I have no doubt the Colts will do so if the season goes completely down the drain by week 10 or so. If Wentz sucks, they can easily justify bringing in Eason/Hundley or someone else at that point. It doesn’t have to be because of injury. Until then, don’t expect them to let up, nor should they.

you've got a point. In three games by the Rams, only the Colts held them under 30 points and Stafford under 300 passing yards. The offense blows right now, but the highly regarded O-line has not taken one snap with all the starters and Wentz? Even if healthy, I have my doubts, but he would be serviceable.

I see you didn't mention anything regarding play calling and 29th rank offense in redzone offense.

I lot of this is poor coaching and uninspired play design. 2 games ago I watched them use the same formation, same motion, and then run the same play 2 times in a row several occasions.

They never build off previous plays, they don't run quick passes, they don't know how to use personal, they don't know how to run rub routes at the goal line - or any part of the field.

Simply watch the GB/SF game and see the wonderful play designs.

I don't really care that Taylor only got 10 carries if the plan was to pass their way to victory but they didn't account for anything the defense might do.

They can't run a screen to save their lives. When was the last time you saw a misdirection screen? Just just all boring, stupid, shit.

GD junior high school coach could do better. Might as well punt on 2nd down.

They don't attack anything and play like a bunch of pussies that know they are going to lose.

Maybe a little off topic, but how is that the late Steve McNair was always considered a "WARRIOR" when he played injured, and yet was never considered injury prone, while QB's like Wentz who do the same thing, are considered injury prone, but never get credit for playing through those injuries?

BTW, i hate the term "WARRIOR" when used in the the context of any NFL player.

Pretty sure with the unemployment bonus he can buy Yuengling now, But he may just be using the extra on crack

They should be the SB favorite They are good

I am not arguing that the Colts have played well, the coaches have been great, or that any of us should be pleased with the season so far. I'm just making the point that the idea the Colts should start playing for next year at this point is crazy. I'm sure that most of this is just venting frustration, but it sounded so harsh that I wanted to add my two cents.

I also wanted to make the point that they seem to start and play every game not to lose. Except on 4th downs - then they play to lose.

Can they ever just come out a dictate the pace of a game? Do we ever use the no huddle. GD, I hate these coaches.

Defense is just as bad. they just sit back and take it. JC, at least go down swinging. Blitz, send the house every now and then and more. Try something fkn different.

Whatever you are doing it ain't working. Do you actually game plan?

Disagree. No Nelson, Hilton (with a #3 as our #1 receiver), Smith (replaced by a turnstile) , Leonard is a shell of himself, defensive ends suck, Paye needs a year to learn, defensive backfield is a mess and our QB can't move. This team has to many strategic injuries to dominating players. They are no longer dominating and that has had a huge effect on this team. All throwing Wentz out there is doing is giving away our first round draft choice, a high one at this rate. Sit him and let him heal before he gets permanently injured. He can't protect himself and god knows neither can this line. Maybe not play for next year but can we at least keep a freaking eye on it?

This is probably a silly question and, if so, I apologize in advance....but if Wentz heals up and is healthy, would it be considered dishonest or even deception on the part of the Colts if they choose to not play him just to avoid losing their #1 pick?

^^^ probably not within the spirit of the agreement but who gives a fuck.

The Eagles?:D

not in my mind, phili fans who go ballistic which would only make me happier

it would be disgusting if the colts did that

The failure is across the board.

Front office in not adequately addressing the backup tackle and QB situation. Our passrush still looks stagnant after serious investment.

Coaches in the gameplans and play calling. Time management has been an issue. Scoring in the red zone is a huge issue. A stud like Taylor getting just 10 carries after he looks good. And in general the team lacks fire especially on defense. Not been a problem before.

Players, injuries have derailed our best performers. But even the healthy guys have not been performing. Leonard looks like a shell of himself. He needs to heal. Stewart is not performing to last years effort. Again it is Buckner getting double teamed and no one else showing up. The oline has been underwhelming. Wentz is more effective at 20% than his backups at 100%.

Said it before, this is the hardest opening schedule of any team in 30 years.

Perfect storm to where we are now.

If Jacoby Brisset beats us next Sunday…

No. They'd be extremely stupid to play him if he's healthy and the Colts have no shot at a playoff spot.

We’re still gonna win the division

I'm definitely down like mostly everyone else, but I still have a strong feeling that they have a shot.

They are not that deep in the hole compared to Tennessee, and fuck those fags anyway. Indy will beat them in Indianapolis.

Its still early. They need to get healthy. But I think a reoccurring issue sinks the team again, no pass rush. Unless one of these guys steps up.

I read this morning we have played 14 games without TY since his rookie year in 2012. We have won one.

If you look at the remaining schedule, any reasonable person can see this team can realistically go 9-5 the rest of the way...get an upset win and they could go 10-7 and win the division.

But going all in on Wentz with no experienced proven back up will likely cost them any chance of a post season!

I believe with Wentz we can go 10-7. His lack of vaccination makes me think we will have to be very lucky for him not to miss any games because of it. One more obstacle that Colts players have put there themselves

that doesn't seem reasonable to me at all:

Colts at Dolphins - Win seems likely
Colts at Ravens - no way
Texans at Colts - win
Colts at 49ers - seems unlikely to me, I think we go 0-4 against the NFCW
Titans at Colts - win
Jets at Colts - win
Jags at Colts - win

At this point, winning 3 in a row and 4 of 5 would seem like a nice streak, and we'd be 5-5.
But then...

Colts at Bills - loss
Buccs at Colts - loss
Colts at Texans - toss up. Do we have TY?
Pats at Colts - win (i hope)
Colts at Cardinals - loss
Raiders at Colts - loss (unless they melt down, they are currently kicking people's ass)
Colts at Jags - loss (toss up maybe?)

They way I have it, we would end up with only 1 win after the 5-5 mark, ending up 6-11.
Now if we win at Texans AND at Jags, we can be 8-9, but that is the best case scenario as far as I can see, and one I do not consider to be entirely realistic. I cannot reasonably see where we'd get 1-2 more wins and finish 9-8. 10-7 is outlandish at this point

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An even more reasonable person would say, "Let's beat the Dolphins on Sunday, soak up that win and enjoy it, and don't even think about the remaining plethora of games."

The 2018 Colts started out at 1-5, and finished at 10-6 ...... if this team has anything like that in them, it will show up over time. If they don't, then it won't. Just win this one game, and focus on the next one when it comes.

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I appreciate your effort here, and you make a good argument, but I think the Colts are capable of sweeping the Texans and Jags, and beating the Raiders...the 49ers or Cardinals would be tough to pull off but far from outlandish. But if they lose to the Dolphins it blows everything up!