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albany ed 01-31-2018 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by JesusChrist (Post 53228)
It would be worth a lot, but there is no chance that both teams pass on QB's
You really only need one of them to draft other than QB.

rcubed 01-31-2018 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by sherck (Post 53823)
Just read an article from BUF that laid out scenarios to trade up for their desired QB (whomever he is).

Their trade scenario to get the #3 overall pick was to trade for it in exchange for:

#21 overall
#22 overall
#53 overall
#56 overall

That would give the Colts in 2018:

#21 overall (1st round)
#22 overall (1st round)
#35 overall (2nd round)
#53 overall (2nd round)
#56 overall (2nd round)
#67 overall (3rd round)

to fix holes on the team.

Yes, you lose out on "sure" top ten studs but end up picking up a lot of picks of guys who can go onto having long, productive and impactful careers in the NFL. 1st and 2nd round guys should be the foundation of any team's excellence.

OT, OG, DE, ILB, CB and RB in the first 67 picks of the draft at the expense of picking one top five stud and instead picking a guy like Ryan Kelly? YES, please!

Would you make that trade?

Walk Worthy
That would be a great haul. But if you are targeting chubb and think he could be a transcendent player, I think you may have to just sit tight.

FatDT 01-31-2018 12:56 PM
Those Buffalo picks are just too late in the 1st IMO. One blue chip player is worth a few solid starters/contributors. But if the Colts don't actually like the top end talent in this draft then maybe it would make sense. I'd rather be in the 10-12 range at most though.

rcubed 01-31-2018 01:00 PM
So alex smith is traded to WAS. That puts cousins on the market which could throw a big wrench in the draft. What if CLE signs cousins and takes barkley or chubb #1. Or he could sign with one of the other possible trade partners taking them out of play

1965southpaw 01-31-2018 01:06 PM
My vote is quality (blue chip) vs. quantity (just a guy). We have plenty of guys on this team and I think they will all perform better with better coaching and schemes that are more than "coloring book" schemes - credit Venturi. What we don't have (except for Luck) are those play-makers that transcend scheme and coaching..........That's what we need, especially now that the AFC south has gotten competitive. We are not going to compete with more JAGs.

1965southpaw 01-31-2018 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by rcubed (Post 53839)
So alex smith is traded to WAS. That puts cousins on the market which could throw a big wrench in the draft. What if CLE signs cousins and takes barkley or chubb #1. Or he could sign with one of the other possible trade partners thus removing a possible trade partner.
That's exactly what I've been thinking....that Cousins/Cleveland have to be settled before we really know what is possible.

DrSpaceman 01-31-2018 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by FatDT (Post 53838)
Those Buffalo picks are just too late in the 1st IMO. One blue chip player is worth a few solid starters/contributors. But if the Colts don't actually like the top end talent in this draft then maybe it would make sense. I'd rather be in the 10-12 range at most though.
I tend to agree.

Trading down to low 20s, even if its two picks, not worth it.

Would still want a top 15 pick if trading down. Otherwise you wasted this season and the best opportunity in years to get a franchise impact player

Wyatt 01-31-2018 02:34 PM
In this scenario, let's say the Broncos or Jets pick up Cousins in the coming weeks.

We trade 1:3 (2200 point value) to the Bills for 1:21, 1:22, 2:53, 2:56. (2290)

Then we trade 1:21 + 1:22 (1580) to move up to the Broncos/Jets 1:5 or 1:6 pick. (1600)

Moving back only 2-3 spots and gaining 2, 2nd round picks....

We also have picks 2:36 (540), 3:67 (255), 4:100 (100), 5:131 (41), 6:164 (27), and 7:195 (14) to perhaps add to either trade to increase interest....that being said our track record of keeping players healthy means we should try stockpiling as many picks as possible.

I'm guessing with 1:5/1:6 we could still get Chubb, Nelson, or Fitz

We would then have the following picks:
1:6
2:36
2:53
2:56
3:67
4:100
5:131
6:164
7:195

1965southpaw 01-31-2018 02:58 PM
Just saw a report that Denver is in the lead in the Cousins sweepstakes based on his stated desire to want to go somewhere where the team is set up to win today and also with relationships between him and Shanahan and Shanahan and Elway....ie Shannahan can help broker a deal.

Wyatt 01-31-2018 03:04 PM
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Originally Posted by 1965southpaw (Post 53858)
Just saw a report that Denver is in the lead in the Cousins sweepstakes based on his stated desire to want to go somewhere where the team is set up to win today and also with relationships between him and Shanahan and Shanahan and Elway....ie Shannahan can help broker a deal.
That would help out in my scenario above, also signing a high $ person like Cousins would probably limit their ability to sign say Demaryius Thomas. Maybe we could snag him in Free Agency along with a mid range draft pick on WR and give Ballard more bargaining room if he and JMD aren't sold on re-signing Moncrief.

That being said, I know we should really focus more on signing OL/ILB/Edge in Free Agency rather than a WR.

I wouldn't mind seeing us sign 3 of the following: Anthony Hitchens, Demarcus Lawrence (not likely), Ezekiel Ansah, Andrew Norwell, Malcom Butler, Nate Solder, Sammy Watkins, or Demaryius Thomas

Picking up 3 of those guys would go a long ways to letting us pick BPA, and with the amassed picks I have in my scenario, wouldn't be a bad thing at all.


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